Floating Trees - #archival-discussion

alienagent
https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Main_Page
grzesiek11
I've got backups of the screenshots archive and Vibrant Vanguard done (ok actually the VV one is in progress but whatever)
xnoob545
What needs to be done on the wiki?
xnoob545
There are archives and stuff Do we need to transfer some knowledge about them onto the wiki
xnoob545
Also
xnoob545
Should we merge Hytale Archival into this project?
alienagent
that would be extremely useful because it would draw way more attention
grzesiek11
I agree that would be a good idea generally, do we join the servers together tho or keep them separated?
grzesiek11
if it's the former, what channels do yall need? we could make a separate category for each "important" game
grzesiek11
though also uhh I wonder if that's how it should be organized
grzesiek11
we should start with what you need though, and whether you even want server merging
grzesiek11
yes basically, the issue is it's hard to define what EXACTLY is that should be done...
grzesiek11
ideally "make it into the ultimate block game archival resource" but that's a far goal
grzesiek11
and not really exact either
grzesiek11
I think we would want game discussion channels, but other things could *probably* be common between games? <#1497336854712684595> and <#1497342307454816276> need game specific tags tho
grzesiek11
I can see value in separating stuff more but also otherwise
grzesiek11
similarly, on wiki games could get their own namespaces, but they could also coexist with categories made for each game
grzesiek11
specifically with the wiki though, categories are nice because anyone can make them
grzesiek11
namespaces need system operator (me) action for each one
grzesiek11
and obviously I'm up for making them but that's not very convenient for contributors
grzesiek11
the advantage of separating things is people interested in specific games can find them more easily the advantage of not doing that is that separating things is hard, and sometimes things just don't fit into a category
alienagent
all of this is true but probably not relevant until we have people actually actively discussing these things
grzesiek11
it is relevant if we want to merge in another community
grzesiek11
I believe
grzesiek11
btw thanks for getting the wiki started, I really want to contribute things asap for now I think I'll let our AI overlords (search engines) know that the site exists, since without external links they won't
exminity
Hey <@368475654662127616>
exminity
Glad to talk with you again =)
exminity
We should have specific roles as well
exminity
Like “Hytale Archivist” “Minecraft Archivist”
alienagent
maybe, but I don't think people should feel locked into specific jobs like why limit yourself to just one or two things
exminity
Well in the hytale archival I archive hytale media
exminity
Why would I get archivist role if I don’t archive mc media?
exminity
If we plan to merge it should be specific
exminity
If you want both jobs theres nothing stopping you
alienagent
yes we can give an archivist role to people who actually do archivist stuff
alienagent
it doesn't have to be a game specific role
alienagent
do we need separate roles for java edition and bedrock edition archival?
alienagent
it really doesn't matter at all
geekcornerd
I still do have some early hytale builds before they decided to put everything behind presigned urls
geekcornerd
just checked against the spreadsheet you got them all 😭
grzesiek11
hi
grzesiek11
I generally agree
grzesiek11
we're the first result on DDG and Bing btw
grzesiek11
Google is taking it's time
grzesiek11
re: my plans to advertise this on social media - I made this account on .social https://mastodon.social/@floatingtrees
grzesiek11
I tried to make a Twitter too but
grzesiek11
this piece of shit is so horrible registration doesn't even work
grzesiek11
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grzesiek11
idk how to get around it
grzesiek11
ok they wanted a phone number
grzesiek11
https://x.com/fltingtrees
grzesiek11
`floatingtrees`, `fl0atingtrees` and `floating_trees` are taken, `floatingtreesarchive` and `floatingblockytrees` are too long
klara_the_cat
feel like that was one of the worst instances you couldve made an account on
klara_the_cat
isnt it fairly common for .social to be defederated from other instances because like half of it is just spam
klara_the_cat
maybe `floatingtreesmc`, or is that too minecraft-specific
grzesiek11
I thought of it, and I think it is
klara_the_cat
i see
grzesiek11
I haven't encountered issues while using .social for my personal account
grzesiek11
however the account can be moved to a different instance if needed
grzesiek11
there is the redirect feature, though I have not used it before I *assume* it works
klara_the_cat
alright, actually shouldnt be a big problem now that i think about it
exminity
Hey guys =) I do lots of civlization events but something ive noticed is that when people finish them they have old files that they end up deleting or forgetting it. I was thinking of making a server where people can upload there files and a team can store it for them. But i honestly dont know where to start or if im insane and i dont know what im doing. This server here is filled with a lot fo talented people related to archiving. So im just wondering.
exminity
Where could i start? Or if this is even possibile?
exminity
(Most people record using .mp4 or replay or flashback)
geekcornerd
I think Nextcloud has a "reverse share" feature to allow people to share files
grzesiek11
well what do you need help with
grzesiek11
one obvious problem I can see is that both video footage and replays take a shitton of disk space
grzesiek11
you could rely on archive.org for that maybe but they are not the most reliable
exminity
to solve that disk space we plan to upload mp4s onto a youtube channel. the videos will be unlisted and whoever uploaded them has the link for it
exminity
We where thinking of using mega.nz, google drive etc
xnoob545
also
xnoob545
wait
exminity
never heard of nextcloud
exminity
sounds intresting
exminity
let me check it out
exminity
whats up?
xnoob545
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xnoob545
theres this discord bot but idk if it can be invited to other servers
xnoob545
its in this server at least https://discord.gg/43jUx6fWyD
exminity
where does it holds it archives and how does it secure it?
xnoob545
it uploads to the internet archive
xnoob545
so if you already have a youtube channel you could post archives to you could also probably get them on the IA as well
geekcornerd
why?
geekcornerd
muzikbike would be interested into "media preservation"
exminity
wdym?
exminity
oh
geekcornerd
they almost got banned so many times <:tf:1500630641564454993>
exminity
for videos i had an idea to upload to youtube and make it unlisted and give it the uploader
geekcornerd
exminity
what am i looking at 😭
geekcornerd
scroobles i think or something like that
exminity
whats dat
geekcornerd
https://last.fm
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geekcornerd
but <@368475654662127616> would be more able to explain than me
geekcornerd
something to sync the songs you listen to i think
grzesiek11
yes basically it allows you to track what music you listen to regardless of where you listen to it
klara_the_cat
last.fm is an archival nightmare in general
klara_the_cat
back in the day it had a whole section for user-uploaded music
klara_the_cat
people could upload their own music as mp3 files to last.fm
klara_the_cat
all of it is completely gone now
grzesiek11
you might be interested https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScdSmaFQSPchcbXqxFiW2m6PLUYJ0ejRsdrOKYSkoh_9GAZFg/viewform
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grzesiek11
not mine personally I answered from the perspective of being in the "overall Minecraft archival community" since those questions assume there is "a" community you're participating in
amthsts
it's simply meant only for selected archiving communities, with Omniarchive being one of them
amthsts
but some of you are still in the Omniarchive server, so feel free to fill it out
amthsts
If you haven't had a chance to fill it out yet, I'll be closing the survey in about 12 hours!
grzesiek11
had some time and set up automatic archival for basically all Android variants
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grzesiek11
regular Bedrock, Education, Education Preview and Trial
grzesiek11
I'm missing regular Bedrock Preview, because it's annoying (you have to enroll to beta testing) and specifically the ChromeOS variant of regular Bedrock, because that is sold separately (I don't have it)
grzesiek11
here's the code, there's no docs though https://git.stary.pc.pl/Grzesiek11/gplay-autoarchive
geekcornerd
will you setup a second instance enrolled in beta testing?
grzesiek11
I would have done that if I had two accounts with Bedrock
grzesiek11
though now that I think about it, I could use family sharing
grzesiek11
my initial plan was to add a way for it to automatically enroll and un-enroll itself
grzesiek11
but this might be a simpler *at least* short term solution
grzesiek11
also *not exactly* a second instance, this works based on a set of "jobs" that run periodically there's already like a dozen of them just for Minecraft (and I have a few more for other stuff)
grzesiek11
every job can use a different account too
grzesiek11
this was already necessary because Trial is not available in Poland, so I had to use my Japan alt
geekcornerd
oh wait is this like... density has different variations per arch?
geekcornerd
i thought per-arch and density were different split apks
grzesiek11
yeah see
grzesiek11
that's what is normally the case
grzesiek11
but Mojank
geekcornerd
ah yeah Mojank
grzesiek11
Mojang releases a COMPLETELY SEPARATE version for each architecture
geekcornerd
any plans to set up <@655390915325591629> btw? because it's there, but doing nothing
geekcornerd
as in version code or dpi split?
grzesiek11
separate version code
geekcornerd
dang
grzesiek11
literally COMPLETELY
geekcornerd
this is messed up so bad
geekcornerd
funfact: minecraft trial is not available in switzerland as well
geekcornerd
what's the point of restricting it to some countries
geekcornerd
is it designed for like third-world countries
grzesiek11
idfk what's up with that, it's not available in half of the world
grzesiek11
the third world country, Germany
grzesiek11
(Germany has it)
geekcornerd
WHAT
geekcornerd
well
grzesiek11
the countries where it's available seem completely random
geekcornerd
considering germany has gigabit internet plans that costs about 3 times what i'd pay for 25gbps
geekcornerd
deutsche telekom are jerks
grzesiek11
AlienAgent added it, I'd personally rather just kick it out
grzesiek11
not sure what was the plan with that
grzesiek11
but like, this server is probably not gonna have much to star
exminity
so hytale archive is officially merged with u guys now?
grzesiek11
yeah, though currently there's no plans to merge the actual servers
grzesiek11
activities will continue as usual
grzesiek11
should we have a RCs channel for the wiki?
grzesiek11
I think that's a good idea
grzesiek11
<@710836174050164757> bruh can you tell that guy that they posted those screenshots in the WRONG format in the imgur archival channel and that this way they won't be saved
geekcornerd
what's the issue?
geekcornerd
oh like as imgur links instead?
grzesiek11
yes
grzesiek11
per the fucking pins
grzesiek11
that the channel name tells you to read
geekcornerd
<@368475654662127616> does it supports albums links
grzesiek11
yes you can post literally any link as long as it's a link
grzesiek11
or like
geekcornerd
okay
grzesiek11
almost literally
geekcornerd
is this good?
grzesiek11
yeah, thank you
geekcornerd
he's posting them all as links
xnoob545
wow theres a lot of progress being made on the wiki
xnoob545
realistically what should be part of the wiki exactly
grzesiek11
this is a hard thing to answer because ideally it would be "everything" lol
grzesiek11
but generally it would be any subjectively important media that is lost, endangered, or found, but no longer officially available
xnoob545
probably should include old hytale releases
xnoob545
speaking of hytale
xnoob545
we gotta get a centralized archive of hytale versions goinf
grzesiek11
ok so generally that would entail setting up a script to download new versions, and copying all older versions from people who have them
grzesiek11
I was planning to set up a DDL site for Floating Trees at `download.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl` for other stuff as well so I guess that's where it can be accessible
grzesiek11
I have around 2 TiB of free space rn
grzesiek11
excluding the backup array
grzesiek11
and computers other than starypc + disconnected drives
xnoob545
alright so yeah
xnoob545
thing is i think people already have scripts to set up to download some things
xnoob545
we're archiving both game versions and launcher versions
grzesiek11
yeah but if we want a centralized archive, then the centralized archive needs to get those new versions too
xnoob545
yes
xnoob545
can we move to the other server
grzesiek11
sure
grzesiek11
https://download.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl, can be accessed via HTTPS or WebDAV
grzesiek11
I am taking the decision to remove the "partially lost" category in favor of placing pages in both "lost" and "found" categories
grzesiek11
this is because when browsing through pages, you are either interested in whether something is found or lost
grzesiek11
and if we categorize partially lost as both, they will appear for both those who want lost and found media
grzesiek11
I will also assign an "unavailable" category (together with "found") to things that are archived internally by someone trusted but not currently available
geekcornerd
can't you edit the dates to match the release date
geekcornerd
question: shouldn't we set the bedrock archives and maybe hytale too behind some auth form?
grzesiek11
I can but I won't, not what modification dates are for
grzesiek11
the current content of `bedrock` is only the stuff that is currently permitted by the linking policy
grzesiek11
which is already public as the torrent
grzesiek11
as to Hytale idk
grzesiek11
my argument behind making that public is that Wayback archived a decent portion of the builds
grzesiek11
and those are not removed
grzesiek11
plus you can't play multiplayer without the auth server
geekcornerd
also.... nowadays the builds are behind presigned urls sooo
grzesiek11
ehhh
grzesiek11
this is pretty hard to judge
geekcornerd
wdym they block you otherwise
grzesiek11
how do you know
grzesiek11
did Hypixel Studios actually do anything to take down any archives
geekcornerd
geekcornerd
when accessing direct url of the patches
geekcornerd
this used not to be the case
grzesiek11
ok I did not mean that at all
grzesiek11
> also.... nowadays the builds are behind presigned urls sooo yes I do know that
grzesiek11
this is factual
grzesiek11
this is not about whether this is factual or not
geekcornerd
oh yeah i see what you mean now
grzesiek11
it's about whether it's better to have private or public archives, based on this fact
xnoob545
i am not aware of any such things happening at least after the official release but its possible that we will end up being the first
xnoob545
also uhhh
xnoob545
maybe we wont
xnoob545
i mean if you are the owner of the archive now and im just some irrelevant rando then you can do whatever i just dont want to be in the defendants list of a lawsuit you know
xnoob545
well we most likely wont but
xnoob545
you were scared to use my source code because it was not licensed because you didnt trust **me** to not sue you idk about you but i'd trust hypixel studios less than I trust myself
grzesiek11
I very much separate archival and like, actual work I'm doing archival is something you do pretty much against the law and mostly just hope that nobody hates you enough to cause problems
grzesiek11
nothing about archival is legal
grzesiek11
well unless it's completely "personal use", then it depends on jurisdiction
grzesiek11
how do I put it
grzesiek11
when it comes to making stuff public, where do you draw the line?
grzesiek11
if everything is private, then everything is private. if everything is public, then everything is public.
grzesiek11
but what about when some things are private and some are not?
grzesiek11
where is the line? what should be private?
grzesiek11
with Minecraft, we currently draw the line where Omniarchive drew it
grzesiek11
which is Bedrock Edition
geekcornerd
you should rename bedrock to mcpe ig
grzesiek11
but honestly if you ask me, if IPJ knew about Brickcraft they wouldn't like it
grzesiek11
no
geekcornerd
they most likely know tbh
grzesiek11
and thus they probably don't like it
geekcornerd
i mean, they probably draw the line where it becomes xobx studios assets
geekcornerd
java is not xobx studio, but bugrock is
geekcornerd
ipj is working for mojank iirc, not xobx studios
geekcornerd
why do i keep typing xobx 😭
grzesiek11
what about Windows 10 Edition
grzesiek11
Omniarchive does not make that public
geekcornerd
wasn't that made by xobx studios too?
grzesiek11
the reasoning for that is, as far as I can tell, "they took an archive.org page down"
grzesiek11
but nowadays they took A LOT of archive.org pages down
geekcornerd
we all love tracer.ai don't we?
grzesiek11
as to why, this is an internal identifier I use and I think it makes sense to use it here as well
grzesiek11
Pocket Edition *is* Bedrock Edition, just with a different name, and making those separate makes things annoying
grzesiek11
I'm gonna try to be offline today for my own sake (university). if there's something urgent e-mail me. thanks.
geekcornerd
>be offline >something urgent? email me
xnoob545
ah fuck i need to
xnoob545
uh
xnoob545
do the hytale shit again
xnoob545
maybe soon
grzesiek11
being offline to me means not being on Discord because that's my biggest time waster
geekcornerd
i was joking btw 😭
geekcornerd
what is the leads access role tho?
grzesiek11
it also lists uncontacted leads
grzesiek11
this is more of a problem though
grzesiek11
they took my access away after they banned me
grzesiek11
for some fucking reason
grzesiek11
so I can't even access it
grzesiek11
here or in Omni?
geekcornerd
here
grzesiek11
it gives access to a `#leads` channel
geekcornerd
can't it be public but write-protected instead?
geekcornerd
idk trying to figure out
grzesiek11
no, it's supposed to be a private space for leads to talk in
grzesiek11
though also it's empty rn
grzesiek11
so you're not missing out on much
geekcornerd
okay
grzesiek11
we haven't been contacting anyone yet, but it's better to be prepared
geekcornerd
okay
geekcornerd
i mean transparency is good tho
grzesiek11
we do want to be as transparent as possible, but the point here is to not make leads uncomfortable, and you can only have one or the other
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grzesiek11
I would be fine with publishing a list of contacted leads here if we ever do get access to that document
grzesiek11
this is not very easy though
grzesiek11
we're the first result for many searches on Bing/DDG Google has still not even indexed the site though
grzesiek11
it indexed the main page but that's all
geekcornerd
use the search console and submit the sitemap
grzesiek11
I did
grzesiek11
like, a month ago or so
grzesiek11
geekcornerd
oh
geekcornerd
yeah it takes a while initially then, but it'll eventually gets almost all indexed
geekcornerd
i think they do review new websites by hand or smth first before they fully index it all automatically
geekcornerd
idk why
grzesiek11
I feel like this has more to do with having or not having outlinks
grzesiek11
I doubt they actually manually verify anything given how much AI slop is on Google
grzesiek11
the leaked 0x10c build is literally just like the leaked Brickcraft build
grzesiek11
aka it uses AWFULLY HORRIBLE and BROKEN shaders that do not work
grzesiek11
I managed to fix those as well
alienagent
https://www.reddit.com/r/mindcrack/comments/1uizxkh/official_statement_3/
grzesiek11
apparently they will not be deleting those, just making them read only
grzesiek11
archiving reddit is annoying asf since they killed the official API
geekcornerd
is there a crummy mirror?
geekcornerd
in case it shuts down
grzesiek11
not from me it's hosted on IA right?
grzesiek11
so it probably wouldn't "shut down" per se, though it could just disappear
grzesiek11
the entire thing seems like a lot of data
grzesiek11
I have less than 2 TiB free rn
grzesiek11
could get the 2009-2011 stuff
geekcornerd
is it hosted on ia?
geekcornerd
oh wait it is my bad
geekcornerd
kinda wish it was easier to browse through tho
geekcornerd
i may have some maps that are hard to find these days let me see
geekcornerd
Looking for a specific map, (like tip of my tongue) can I post in <#1497336854712684595> ?
grzesiek11
yea
grzesiek11
you can still tag it lost
grzesiek11
since you don't know whether it is or not
grzesiek11
<@255453958942883862> welcome, and thanks for joining us!
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grzesiek11
<@428539320660656128> oh hi lol
tadeln
hello
geekcornerd
<@368475654662127616> there's a live event on Minecraft bugrock you may be interested into archiving
geekcornerd
or teach me your ways and i'll give it a shot
geekcornerd
i'd gladly attempt this tbh
geekcornerd
>uses bedrock tool >connects to server obtained from wireshark >bedrock tool crashes
geekcornerd
oh wait
geekcornerd
geekcornerd
_sigh_
geekcornerd
how are you getting a session?
geekcornerd
what about we put a guide on the wiki?
grzesiek11
sorry didn't really have time today
grzesiek11
still don't
grzesiek11
I don't remember it from the top of my head but I used a decrypting proxy to get to the token
grzesiek11
however, bedrocktool is able to get it somehow as well iirc
grzesiek11
since some version at least
grzesiek11
I know someone who will definitely backup this but I will as well when I have some time
grzesiek11
might put up a guide as well if I have some extra time, yeah
geekcornerd
the event ends on 6th july
geekcornerd
what packet should I look for to get the ip address?
geekcornerd
what the fudge
geekcornerd
>inpvp >look inside >donutsmp
pendonym
donutsmp has a dns service
pendonym
https://builtbybit.com/threads/donutshield-minecraft-anti-ddos-22-locations-100-000-players.737239/
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geekcornerd
pretty sure i spotted the right ip, but... well
geekcornerd
OH SHOOT
geekcornerd
geekcornerd
well at least i got a resource pack lol
geekcornerd
guess what? didn't knew the event was made by noxcrew lol
geekcornerd
y'all want the logs maybe?
geekcornerd
<@368475654662127616> you might wanna pin it if it's useful. Here's how I got the server IP 1. Open Wireshark. Open Minecraft, open the server list. Start Wireshark, and put `raknet` into the filter bar. 2. Try to join the server. As soon as it tries to grab the packs, hit cancel 3. On Wireshark, find a packet with `Open Connection Request 1` in the info column 4. On this packet, grab the `Destination Address` and the `Dst Port` and put it in bedrock tool Do it fast enough and it should work, if it throws a closed connection error, try again, but faster
grzesiek11
that's a very ghetto way to do it
grzesiek11
none, you want to get a decrypting HTTP proxy and find the request for a session
grzesiek11
wireshark is the wrong tool for this
grzesiek11
I mean if it works for you it works
grzesiek11
just saying this isn't how I do it
geekcornerd
i tried mitmproxy, but couldn't see a packet triggered when logging into the server
geekcornerd
oh just found it
geekcornerd
``` POST https://gatherings-secondary.franchise.minecraft-services.net/api/v2.0/join/experience authorization: MCToken [REDACTED] user-agent: libhttpclient/1.0.0.0 client-branch: r/26_u3 client-ref: redated client-version: 1.26.32 x-clientplatform: Windows ``` ```json { "experienceId": "bc42bb5f-b034-47fb-99ef-f1a4696c899f" } ```
geekcornerd
let me build a pr to see if it helps
geekcornerd
<@368475654662127616> the gui has a featured section welp
geekcornerd
still unable to work 🙁
geekcornerd
unsuported operation
geekcornerd
so the vote ends tmr, how should we archive the map?
grzesiek11
tomorrow when exactly
qazxswedc16
July 6th, 11:59PM PT
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grzesiek11
I'll manage
grzesiek11
currently school stuff
grzesiek11
sorry
geekcornerd
According to the github of bedrocktool I'm not the only one to crash
geekcornerd
Tho if you manage to pull it off, lmk how you got it done, i'd be interested
geekcornerd
the bug got fixed, let me download bedrocktool and see
geekcornerd
<@368475654662127616> I got it
geekcornerd
crashes when loading the map [husk](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1376234453093060741.webp?size=48&name=husk&lossless=true)
geekcornerd
oh
geekcornerd
i have the pcap files too if needed
geekcornerd
oh maybe it's finally fixed
geekcornerd
let me see
geekcornerd
let me build from source
geekcornerd
welp broken
exminity
Forwarded message (live, archive)
The worlds from the 1.12 trailer all had download links on reddit. Some still work, others not. I want to archive these worlds
exminity
<@368475654662127616> hey do you happen to have these maps downloaded or know someone who does?
geekcornerd
somehow latest commits of bugrock tools won't work, am i missing smth? or is it fine to wait for the tool to be fixed as long as i have the pcap file?
geekcornerd
spent some time trying to sit on every seat to make sure they're saved
grzesiek11
pcap should be enough to get a better export later
geekcornerd
okay
grzesiek11
probably not but I'll check later
geekcornerd
<@368475654662127616> is it considered usual if popup won't work and npc texts are empty?
geekcornerd
otherwise the world loads fine
geekcornerd
made <#1523974900954562580>
grzesiek11
yeah server side stuff
grzesiek11
normal
grzesiek11
the data is saved in the pcap if you talked with them
geekcornerd
i talked with mostly all of them
geekcornerd
tho the text is most likely in the resource pack
explor4268
Forwarded message (live, archive)
wayback machine has done some really weird things lately the capture: <https://web.archive.org/web/20220605193213/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAOwN68AInE> has a proper page loaded with video preserved strangely, when i tried to open it externally using developer tools' network tab, it shows a (probably fake) excluded message, notably for the entire following path for this specific youtube CDN url (not sure if that's the only one affected): <https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://rr2---sn-o097znze.googlevideo.com/videoplayback> however, if i copied the request from the browser as curl, and pasted it into the terminal, it properly spits the video data out without the 403 excluded message (if I just curl it directly, stripping everything from the copied command except for the url and the user agent, it returns the excluded html message) that's the only instance so far where i encountered this, other URLs such as the youtube rewind one [like this](https://web.archive.org/web/20171206180459/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlsCjmMhFmw) works just fine, either in the actual page, or opened externally visiting <https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://rr1---sn-4pgnuhxqp5-jb3y.googlevideo.com/videoplayback> (server used for the youtube rewind capture mentioned earlier) does not return the excluded message
explor4268
Forwarded message (live, archive)
not sure why they did that, but they probably wanted to prevent scraping, or they just misconfigured the exclusion, or just a server-side bug
explor4268
just some information that i found earlier
xnoob545
ah yes
xnoob545
<@322172965825413141> how do you suggest i respond to this without being weird aboout it
xnoob545
because yes it does include minecraft but how do i say that without, you know, possibly getting omni people mad
alienagent
what do you think you should say
xnoob545
i was gonna say somethig but i dont wanna be involved in possibly starting some shit again so i'd rather not say anythig
xnoob545
why do i keep missing the n at the end of words
xnoob545
abnyway
grzesiek11
this should be in <#1497337088079560837>
grzesiek11
fyi
xnoob545
oh sorry i forgot that channel existed
grzesiek11
idk why would you go to the actual video page since it's way easier to just lookup `http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/`, but I tried this and this also has a weird behavior with this video
grzesiek11
normally you'd get redirected to `whatever.googlevideo.com`, and it'd work in the regular web interface
grzesiek11
but here, it doesn't redirect you, and it shows a blank page: https://web.archive.org/web/20230213220046/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/CAOwN68AInE
grzesiek11
it only works with `id_`, though it doesn't redirect you still: https://web.archive.org/web/20230213220046id_/http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/CAOwN68AInE
grzesiek11
some videos that have captures on Wayback are weird and might not work in some cases
grzesiek11
they are possible to get but may appear as if they are not
grzesiek11
still, if you get no captures with `http://wayback-fakeurl.archive.org/yt/`, then it's not archived, as always
alienagent
as much as I like the name "floating trees" I was thinking of maybe changing the project name to something like "Block Game Lost Media Wiki", or BGLM Wiki for short, because it's more descriptive of what it's actually about even though it isn't exclusively a "lost media wiki", that is the _main_ focus, and gets the point across
geekcornerd
i mean, it's extremely generic tho
alienagent
yeah and that's kind of the point
alienagent
people who want to find a block game lost media wiki will search for that and find exactly what they are looking for
alienagent
why would they know to look for something called "floating trees"?
tadeln
pretty sure if you look for "block game lost media wiki" you will get a dozen search results that are not the block game lost media wiki and instead you will just get results for block game, lost media, and wiki, separately, since thats how seo works. its too generic to be searchable
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tadeln
with "floating trees wiki" at least you can find it if you know the name
tadeln
with the other one you can't find it even if you know the name
geekcornerd
keyword on the website would be something too
exminity
Hey can any archivist give some advice? Im planning on soon launching a archive/hub server dedicated to Minecraft Civilization event media So the idea is that we have a website that we are almost finished making that people can go on there and see media people have submitted and media that ha sbeen found. The goal is to make sure that civ event media is A easy to access and B civ event media is documented. Me and my partner have a concern with where we keep files. I was thinking of having screenshots uploaded to private discord channel and uploada weekly batch of new submission to the internet archive in zip files. For videos we want to upload videos to a channel dedicated to our archivals service, upload videos to a back up account and upload weekly batches to the internet archive. For Replay files and flashback files (for those who dont know what that is it is a type of file that records youre mincraft surrondings. Its used to make videos and is very good at archiving civ events) to be uploaded onto the Internet archive. The way people download the media from the site will be from a provided cloud storage from the user or admin who does it for the user. I know they are some really smart people here and i trust asking in this server over other servers. Is this a good method? Should i provide more info here for you to understand the full picture? Thanks in advance and please dont hold back on advice.
grzesiek11
this sounds like everything ends up on IA, which is good since that's pretty much the most reliable solution that doesn't involve hosting it yourself (incl. P2P). IA is annoying in terms of speed, so it makes sense to also use YouTube for vids and cloud storage for other data for ease of access. you should consider that IA might still get your stuff taken down, so keep local backups if possible. I am going to suggest having torrents as well, though making torrents is *a bit* more of a problem than getting them, since you generally should have port forwarding set up, and ideally have a machine on 24/7. tbh even if you can't guarantee those things I would consider it anyways - it does still increase the potential survival rate, as people that can guarantee that could still snatch and seed some of this, if they happen to be interested.
grzesiek11
so yeah generally I think your idea is quite decent
exminity
The issue I may find with torrents is that many people in civ community arent informed on that to much
exminity
Is there any comments you also want to state?
grzesiek11
actually yeah I forgot one thing YouTube has a daily upload limit you might want to know that
grzesiek11
mostly just saying that so you aren't surprised cuz I was
grzesiek11
if you have a lot of footage you'll need to upload it daily rather than in one go
grzesiek11
also if you never uploaded anything to IA you might be surprised as how slow it is
grzesiek11
it is, in fact, very slow
grzesiek11
also just something to keep in mind so you aren't surprised
grzesiek11
not saying it should be your only method, more that you should consider it as a secondary method
stringthief.
Uploading videos to IA can be a bit of a pain from my experience.
stringthief.
Not discouraging anyone from doing so, of course. Just be prepared lol.
grzesiek11
yeah...
pendonym
use https://internet-archival.xyz/ frfr
pendonym
no bias
grzesiek11
this code is crazy jank
grzesiek11
ngl
pendonym
dude its my first ever time coding
pendonym
its better then me ai gemenating some slop
grzesiek11
yeah definitely if you're new to this doing jank is normal and expected lol
pendonym
its not *that* bad right
grzesiek11
can't learn if you don't make mistakes
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pendonym
what are the issues
geekcornerd
grzesiek would say your first mistake is to use js [tf](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1500630641564454993.webp?size=48&name=tf&lossless=true)
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geekcornerd
but tbh js for a discord bot is perfectly fine
pendonym
i fucking hate python
grzesiek11
I was looking at <https://github.com/Pendonym/Internet-Archival-Bot/blob/main/commands/general/yt-archive.js>, I saw the hardcoded path with `\` separators and the assumption that "an IA item exists means archived", then I wrote that lol
grzesiek11
I didn't really get deep into it
pendonym
well i mean if it does exist it is archived
grzesiek11
nope it does not
pendonym
how so
grzesiek11
I could create an empty `youtube-whatever` item to make your bot fail for that specific video
pendonym
but nobody is doing that
pendonym
also that could be said for every archive bot
grzesiek11
that's a broad assumption
pendonym
that could also be said for tubeup
grzesiek11
your bot can even sabotage itself if it fails midway upload - then the item exists, but the data doesn't
pendonym
i mean thats how tubeup works
grzesiek11
idk those tools, I only upload things manually
grzesiek11
maybe people assume that a lot and I'm unaware of that
grzesiek11
I still don't think it's a good assumption to make
pendonym
what else would i do
grzesiek11
I would upload anything I'm not sure exists and keep a local database
grzesiek11
if I wanted to check existing items to avoid duplication, I'd download the video and check hashes, or at least if it's a valid video at all
pendonym
but what if the video got changed
pendonym
you can edit a video after its uploaded
pendonym
also youtube-id format is what people use for like https://findyoutubevideo.thetechrobo.ca/
grzesiek11
^
pendonym
so even if it did exist theres no point of reuploading it with like yt-id-1
grzesiek11
so like, sure, if you want to assume that do so
pendonym
thats what every tool does <:cshrug:1043015518728224859>
grzesiek11
I know this is a joke, but to be clear, while I do hate JS, I don't really care what people use for their own stuff
grzesiek11
I would never use it outside of a website, but that's just a personal choice
grzesiek11
also ik JS is what most people use for Discord bots
pendonym
why do you hate JS?
geekcornerd
ikr
geekcornerd
i have ptsd with python tbh
grzesiek11
weak typing, a lot of very weird design choices that probably stem from the fact the language was never designed as something general purpose, heavyweight runtime with garbage collection
geekcornerd
i forgot this website existed
geekcornerd
<#1518245675979112448> found the first episode
grzesiek11
<@1478515828973506773> I'm pretty sure I also found a bug, `commands/general/git-archive.js` line 51
grzesiek11
everything uses `--include-wiki` instead of the actual appropriate arguments
grzesiek11
so it will never archive anything but the main repo and wiki
pendonym
yeah git archive is really broken it crashes entirely when you even run the command and it uploads
grzesiek11
mhm
grzesiek11
so, known I guess
pendonym
yeah theres 3 comments at the top that apparently are the issues
geekcornerd
what about you use software heritage for git repos
pendonym
mmmm
pendonym
i highkey could
pendonym
how do they even store all that
pendonym
where do they get money
grzesiek11
code is cheap to store compared to all the shit IA stores
pendonym
yeah i think im going to just use software heitage
grzesiek11
IA gets money from donations and their paid programs, I imagine that project does something similar
pendonym
thats a really good idea
pendonym
i hope if they for some reason they shut down (i dont hope for that part) that they will provide like a download to download everything
pendonym
okay well im going to go to sleep its 2:38am
geekcornerd
iirc they do preserve the git history too
geekcornerd
tho it's a pain to get it back, yet possible
geekcornerd
https://til.simonwillison.net/github/software-archive-recovery
grzesiek11
that doesn't sound like pain
grzesiek11
that sounds like they just let you get the repository without any issues lol
grzesiek11
well yeah you can't literally just `git clone` it
geekcornerd
a simple git clone would be a good upgrade tbh
alienagent
the specific versions that we are able to safely distribute would probably be the same as the ones omniarchive is able to safely distribute I would be okay with having download links to those versions (only those versions) on our minecraft versions download page (this page should be edit protected so normies can't add links to recent bedrock version downloads) we should keep our own backup database, but the omniarchive manifest should be the primary source of downloads because there are more people keeping it updated since omniarchive's "safe versions" would be the same as ours we would need to basically copy what omniarchive does in this regard, another reason why I would prefer that this be primarily omniarchive's territory the downloads page should probably contain disclaimers explaining which versions are and are not safe from microslop's copyright humunculus army the most important thing is that we take every possible precaution to avoid being targeted by copyright takedowns and avoid doing anything beligerent to other communities with likeminded people who are supposed to be helping us
alienagent
"minecraft discontinued features wiki" is a thing (for some reason) that's 4 words including "minecraft discontinued features" "minecraft discontinued" "discontinued features" "discontinued features wiki" etc and yet nonetheless it exists and has a name that indicates what it is if the wiki was called something like "pig spawner" instead, how would normal people find it, when searching for a wiki about minecraft discontinued features?
geekcornerd
being named "omniarchive" did not prevent anybody from finding them
grzesiek11
"there are more people keeping it updated" and yet *I* am the only reason their downloads don't have wrong versions, because apparently only I check if a file that claims to be some version actually is that version
grzesiek11
and yes this is literally true
grzesiek11
search up my messages after their downloads were made public
grzesiek11
no I do not trust Omniarchive to provide correct downloads
grzesiek11
they lost a whole fucking domain and let random mods host half of their infrastructure next thing you know they get hacked by some random skid who uploads alpha 6.6.6
grzesiek11
ok now, do you consider the posts I made in misc-downloads "Omniarchive's safe versions"?
grzesiek11
alternatively the IA pages made by Mc4f and Arctic that hosted more or less that content
grzesiek11
re: disclaimers, we already have [[Floating Trees Wiki:Guidelines]], this is for editors, for users those disclaimers would be useless
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Floating_Trees_Wiki:Guidelines>
grzesiek11
edits providing problematic content can just be reverted
grzesiek11
I plan to check every change
grzesiek11
we can add an additional disclaimer to read that when editing
grzesiek11
I dislike a generic name for the reason that it means it can't be reused for other related projects we have the wiki, and we also already have downloads. in the future we want to have a database/image board/whatever. who knows what else comes up.
grzesiek11
I'm planning to register a domain for Floating Trees, but registering one domain per every archival-related thing is 1. not cost effective 2. confusing to users
grzesiek11
also I told you the name we pick is gonna be more or less final
grzesiek11
we don't have a good reputation with Google in the first place, and doing drastic rebranding is only gonna hurt it more
grzesiek11
also yeah I don't think a more explicit name would help us at all
grzesiek11
search results are dominated by some roblox game called "block game" and some other thing called "blockgame"
alienagent
I get that the domain should have a generic name so other stuff can be hosted on it, but I'm saying the wiki we've set up could be renamed to something more descriptive
grzesiek11
ok that makes more sense
grzesiek11
still don't think it's a good idea for the other reasons listed
grzesiek11
if you know some SEO expert and they are gonna certify it's a good idea then sure
grzesiek11
I'm not a SEO expert
alienagent
even assuming the URLs don't change we could at least have the wiki officially titled "floating trees: the block game lost media wiki" or something like that
grzesiek11
I was thinking of something like that
alienagent
also omniarchive's management problems are a reason why I would prefer to coordinate with them to make sure they actually fix their shit instead of only trying to make "better" versions that far fewer people will be exposed to that is a discussion we should probably initiate in the near future because I am in agreement with you that they have made a lot of questionable decisions regarding the webpages they host
alienagent
making sure that no one specific individual has the power to wreck everything or get hacked by someone who wrecks everything is probably the most important thing every account with control over anything should be jointly owned by the admin team instead of belonging solely to a specific individual who may or may not get outed as an epstein client
alienagent
of course this also applies to anything we create as well, neither you nor any other one specific person should have sole control over anything really important at the present this isn't something we need to address yet but eventually we should take measures to ensure there aren't any weak links
explor4268
that's what I originally did (using the fakeurl virtual endpoint), but that's what I got and decided to investigate the whole thing by viewing it (presumably) as WBM intended. why I chose that video? Well, a random choice from my giant browser bookmarks collection to test out some personal thing
geekcornerd
Not a seo expert (still do know the basics to some extent), but that'd be probably the best option, you can as well play around with the meta description field to be a bit more descriptive (luanti, mc, and so on)
exminity
vencord detected
exminity
whats dis?
pendonym
you can use /yt-archive link: and put a youtube video and it will download and upload it to archive.org
exminity
wait thats actually sick
exminity
let me add that to my server
geekcornerd
half's omniarchive used it
exminity
im just joking i dont care LOL
geekcornerd
Forwarded message (live, archive)
<@&1474855445037453544> Curious about Marketplace Pass? This weekend, the entire curated catalog is yours to explore for free! More add-ons, more skin packs, more worlds to try from July 10-12 no subscription needed. Dive in and discover more ways to play!
geekcornerd
what if we archived the marketplace lol
thesnitcher666_59319
MARKETPLACE CONTENT IS ALREADY SOMEWHAT EASILY ARCHIVABLE THROUGH PIRACY TOOLS. WON'T ELABORATE ON THIS.
pendonym
archiveteam already plans to do that
geekcornerd
really?
pendonym
not the actual downloads tho
pendonym
if u want that you could just use bluecoin
geekcornerd
is bluecoin even still around?
thesnitcher666_59319
YES
pendonym
yeah they shut down but one of the developers still maintains a fork of it
geekcornerd
lmao what
geekcornerd
where
pendonym
Hi everyone, Support for Toolcoin is being discontinued, meaning there will likely be no more updates or patches from me. The main reason is that I have genuinely lost interest in the Minecraft marketplace. While I do not want the project to die, I'm going to publish the source code to the public. To prevent people from doing a copy-cat with ads or paywalls, Vad is planning to continue the project as a transparent, community-maintained fork. To make this happen, we are looking to assemble a team of knowledgeable community members who want to help develop and run this fork. If you have the skills and want to contribute to keeping the project going, please send a message to @solidwild. Toolcoin documentation: https://toolcoin-docs.onrender.com/
pendonym
https://archive.org/details/toolcoin-src
geekcornerd
ik for a fact mctools is still around and the dev is on omni
pendonym
https://mcdoc.site/marketplace#marketplace-content-decryptors
geekcornerd
<@1514783331357819061> why are you screaming btw?
thesnitcher666_59319
BECAUSE I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE
xnoob545
i really dont like it when people say this
geekcornerd
wdym
stringthief.
Is it the ageism, I presume?
xnoob545
its also just a cringey thing to say
stringthief.
Yeah
geekcornerd
oh, sorry
pendonym
no long hardcoded anymore
thesnitcher666_59319
SHARED SOME OMNIARCHIVE MODGATE RELATED MESSAGES WITH XNOOB. THIS ISN'T ARCHIVAL RELATED BY THE WAY!!! KEEP DISCUSSION ON TOPIC!!!
alienagent
modgate??
neeonlight
is everything ok with your keyboard?
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alienagent
<@817088068254433291> is this your alt
xnoob545
no
alienagent
do you know who it is
xnoob545
this person
alienagent
lmao wat
xnoob545
i have no idea whos alt this is actually
alienagent
what are the "modgate messages"
xnoob545
do you not remember the matrix gc
xnoob545
did you not see
alienagent
what is it you think I did not see
xnoob545
nothing much i think yall had everything in the doc anyways
grzesiek11
please go to <#1497337088079560837> or, possibly, elsewhere
alienagent
<@368475654662127616> regarding what I said earlier about omniarchive's project management issues, could you at some point maybe give me a list of everything you think is an issue that needs to be addressed? I'd like to maybe talk with the admins about this to help make sure everything is moving in the direction of improvement other people are also encouraged to give input on this if they have anything to say
grzesiek11
wrong channel
grzesiek11
(I also talked about this in the wrong channel at times, yes, nobody noted it yet which is why I am noting it now)
alienagent
Forwarded message (live, archive)
@everyone You were getting lonely without the pings, weren't you? # The Maps 🗺️ This is not all the maps, just 50 of the ones I have permission to share so far. This also does not include any schematics or config files to setup the worlds, those will take longer. I will add to this folder (and announce here) as I get permission to share more. There are no conditions attached to me sharing these maps, but please don't go and upload them to PMC and claim them as yours. https://drive.proton.me/urls/JPDWK6WVFG#azhSWy3RYPC2 ### Disclaimer __I do not have the coordinates to things, please don't ask me.__ If I can share any config files later, they will have the coordinates. Otherwise your best bet may be to open up a region viewer of the world. Some of the worlds are a work in progress, and were never completed. Others were completed but never implemented into ConwyMC. I provide them as I have them in the backup. I have not verified the worlds work. Some may not function, some are copies of other worlds that won't load correctly when put on the same server (uid files match). __I don't have any other version of these files__ Enioy!
exminity
thats cool Proton drive
stringthief.
Finally something other than Google Drive 🥳
exminity
Stopped using Google services mostly a month ago
exminity
Im now a firefox addict
geekcornerd
what are these?
alienagent
download links for maps for a pvp server that used to be really popular
alienagent
https://www.reddit.com/r/2b2t_Uncensored/comments/1uwthx5/6b6torg_has_been_blocked_by_mojang/
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geekcornerd
hash: `b3da7844cc1aaa4f8556596b35b59a2a8e40739d` (`*.6b6t.org`)
geekcornerd
<@368475654662127616> do you archive youtube videos? http://youtube.com/post/UgkxjYtRaNgCyJlXqkUjy7on7WcTlZ6xU7Gt
xnoob545
Do you know of the archival discord bot that can be used to Archive videos Its not in this server tho
xnoob545
Imma reach out to some ppl
geekcornerd
idk
geekcornerd
which bot?
grzesiek11
doing this rn
grzesiek11
that is a lot
grzesiek11
should be done in 2 days tho lol
grzesiek11
mhm this might be an issue
grzesiek11
I assume those are also on Patreon?
grzesiek11
maybe not
geekcornerd
idk
grzesiek11
this is about the hidden member-only videos
grzesiek11
can't save those unless I pay for the membership
grzesiek11
honestly I could if I knew slicedlime will actually get the money, idk what happens to the memberships if the channel gets deleted
grzesiek11
for now only saving the public stuff
geekcornerd
which yt-dlp flags do you use tho?
grzesiek11
```sh yt-dlp -o '%(id)s.%(ext)s' --write-thumbnail --write-info-json --write-comments --write-subs --sub-langs all --remote-components ejs:github --download-archive downloaded --cookies ~/roboczy/cookies-yt.txt -t sleep "$url" ```
geekcornerd
til about "write-comments"
grzesiek11
and I'm getting the /videos page first, /shorts later
geekcornerd
any reason why you're downloading the thumnails/subs in separate files instead of using mkv with --embed-subs and --embed-thumbnail ?
grzesiek11
I'd much rather have them separated
grzesiek11
it's easier to get a thumbnail from a file than a container with everything
grzesiek11
also thumbnails change and nowadays there's often more than one
grzesiek11
I don't have a workflow for archiving that rn but it's safer for future use
grzesiek11
I guess in the end it comes down to me treating the video files as holy and immutable
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geekcornerd
oh okay
grzesiek11
460 videos done (or skipped if member only)
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grzesiek11
channel isn't gone, but 1107 videos done
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grzesiek11
considering a lot of them are VODs, I kiiinda don't have the money to store this rn, so I think I'm gonna upload these to IA and then get rid of them
grzesiek11
well
grzesiek11
IA is kinda. not happy when you try to upload almost 1 TB of videos. so we'll see.
grzesiek11
and yeah I predict this is gonna be a bit under 1 TB total
grzesiek11
it's 489 GiB rn
stringthief.
Forwarded message (live, archive)
<@&635583048762523650> Two new pre-reupload servers have been added to the archive! (thanks <@169368571477098497>) server **1.6.2-pre-1316** (JAR): https://vault.omniarchive.uk/archive/java/server-release/1.6/pre/1.6.2-pre-1316.jar server **1.7.10-pre2-0947** (JAR): https://vault.omniarchive.uk/archive/java/server-release/1.7/pre/1.7.10-pre2-0947.jar
stringthief.
Will these be added to Floating Trees?
grzesiek11
just added those now
grzesiek11
please update your torrents!
grzesiek11
also someone could crosspost [this message](https://discord.com/channels/1497336599120187435/1497362064677801984/1528813067096428808) to my thread for this on Omniarchive
geekcornerd
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exminity
how long does it take to upload something to archive.org on average?
exminity
Im uploading multiple mp4s that are up to 8.4GBs
grzesiek11
I doubt there's a good "average" when I was uploading big things it was often around 500 KiB/s I think?, so it could take like 5 hours each
exminity
🥹
grzesiek11
I think I got speeds as low as 120 KiB/s, which would be about 19 hours each
grzesiek11
but that was a while ago
exminity
I’m getting issues saying “there is a network problem”
grzesiek11
this might be a bit complicated if you don't use the terminal often, but have you tried the `ia` command line tool?
grzesiek11
from my experience it's more consistent at... working
grzesiek11
there's also the option to use the obscure S3 compatible upload
grzesiek11
which is also not too bad
grzesiek11
possibly better than the `ia` tool
grzesiek11
I only used it once but I was uploading a huge file
grzesiek11
and it did upload it
grzesiek11
made a "Floating Trees" namespace on the wiki for stuff that's project related but not only wiki related
grzesiek11
added {{submit lost}} on some media pages so it's more obvious that yes, if you have em, submit em
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Template:Submit_lost>
grzesiek11
ok so we have IRC now probably nobody will use it but it might be useful if some old (/pos) people want to submit something
grzesiek11
also you can join without downloading anything or registering any accounts by just clicking a link
grzesiek11
I'm running this on a modern IRC server that supports chat history, the web client supports chat history as well
geekcornerd
<@368475654662127616> is this that person?
grzesiek11
yes, indeed
grzesiek11
idk what he means by me being inactive
geekcornerd
do they know you're not in omni anymore? 😭
grzesiek11
not sure actually
grzesiek11
we only ever talk in DMs
geekcornerd
okay
grzesiek11
(now they do)
exminity
Hey does anyone know a way how to separate two different voices in the same audio file?
exminity
All tools online are Ai and rather learn it myself
luekos_ddraigcrafangaur
if there is, it's ridiculously complicated unless neither of the voices is ever speaking over the other
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grzesiek11
this is not really possible and one of the actually good use cases for AI
grzesiek11
there are situations in which the two voices are on different channels but that's usually not the case
grzesiek11
or yeah if they aren't talking over each other you can just cut in Audacity
grzesiek11
I've acquired another 18 TB of storage, 10 TB of which isn't allocated for specific use
grzesiek11
this means that, yes, I am no longer running out of space... for now
blizzardfur
Put Omni changelogs Ina channel on this server
grzesiek11
you can put that in <#1500620448524795924>
blizzardfur
I also have another question is the reason you haven't made a download for PC bedrock archives something to do without omni relations or some other reason
grzesiek11
the reason is https://discord.com/channels/1497336599120187435/1529665697813369044
grzesiek11
I was thinking of doing Bedrock in the future but AlienAgent feels strongly even about Pocket Edition and X360 TUs which I thought are uncontroversial
blizzardfur
I think pretty much anything up to better together update in terms of PC is probably safe because those are just so incredibly ancient
grzesiek11
the more people actually say their opinion in the discussion the better
grzesiek11
that is what I think as well
blizzardfur
Some of them are also appxs that can't properly be downloaded from bedrock launchers
grzesiek11
up to Better Together is definitely safe, 8 year old versions after Better Together are most likely *also* safe
blizzardfur
I would agree with this likely as well I was just saying up to better together because I know how alienagent feels
grzesiek11
^
grzesiek11
you should say this in the discussion
grzesiek11
so we have an assorted collection of comments by different people
xnoob545
i mean this is supposed to be an archival focused server not a community server there is <#1497337088079560837> tho
geekcornerd
I should release the AMCM^2 event map, tho it's a bit too large to send on Discord xD
geekcornerd
especially the pcap, and idk if it contains sensitive informations
geekcornerd
yeah that one map
geekcornerd
i sat on every seat xD
geekcornerd
and tried to open every gui as well
geekcornerd
I'd submit it to <@368475654662127616> nextcloud tbh
geekcornerd
more reliable than IA
geekcornerd
depends if he's up
geekcornerd
geekcornerd
that was my first archival
geekcornerd
tho grzesiek got lots of other maps
alienagent
I'm thinking some posts about this project in some smaller minecraft-related subreddits would help with engagement and recruiting the actual main minecraft subreddit is a no go because it would get buried under more upvoteable posts and I'm pretty sure discord server promotion isn't allowed there anyway other subreddits with less activity would be better as they'd be more likely to give the thread more visibility relative to other threads and would be more likely to allow it in the first place
grzesiek11
do you have specific subreddits in mind? I can draft something up
alienagent
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft2/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MinecraftUnlimited/ these at least
alienagent
I'm thinking we could also claim the currently nonexistent r/MinecraftArchival subreddit and use it for our purposes no guarantees that many people would find and use it but it would at least be there
xnoob545
i agree with all of this
alienagent
also <@368475654662127616> could you maybe finish making minecraft wiki pages for mojang's game jam games since you already did most of them but didn't finish
alienagent
there is something I else I wanted to propose (I already spoke with grzesiek about this a bit, before the wiki was created) In addition to a wiki for minecraft and other block game lost media and archival resources, we discussed the possibility of a different sort of website that would work more like pinterest or an image board site that would be for block game screenshots specifically unlike pinterest which is an unsorted mess of images, this website would always have links to the original source of its images (example: an old minecraft screenshot from reddit would have a link to the specific reddit post it's from) and each image could be assigned tags related to the builds and blocks depicted in the image (for example a castle made of stone bricks would have the "castle" and "stone bricks" tags, among others) individual image authors could have tags of their own so someone who posts a lot of minecraft screenshots on a particular account on instagram or whatever would have their screenshots credited on this site under their username the extent to which the gathering of images and assigning of tags would be automated is up for debate (obviously it would take a really long time for people to upload a substantial amount of images manually and apply all possible relevant tags) I feel like a website like this would be a useful archival resource that lets you preserve and locate specific screenshots in a way more convenient than reposting them in a discord channel perhaps more importantly, it would also have mainstream appeal as tons of people look for minecraft reference screenshots all the time when coming up with builds of their own, but search engine image results are increasingly full of unusable slop and other sites like instagram and pinterest have their own limitations like lack of consistently applied tags and source attribution
alienagent
this was actually the thing I originally wanted to call "floating trees" the idea being that the images on the site are the "floating trees" floating because they are grabbed off the cloud, trees because they are nice to look at
alienagent
it would be fairly simple and cheap to begin a website like this, and if it became big enough to be more expensive to run, then it could be monetized with a few unobtrusive ads here and there I think creating this website is probably doable, the question is how, specifically, we would go about doing it, and whether it actually is a good idea to do it, and what specific features it would have
alienagent
keep in mind this site would probably be easily discoverable because once it gets indexed by search engines, images from the site will start showing up in image search results
qazxswedc16
Bringing back the Minecraft Museum? Finally. (https://archive.org/details/mm-gallery-20160324)
alienagent
never heard of this but it's pretty similar to what I came up with
alienagent
you know we _could_ start by just copypasting the contents of this (and probably other similar site archives if they exist) and then add more from there
qazxswedc16
Started in 2009, ended in like 2019? Anyone could post a screenshot (if they had an account), mods would approve the picture, and then it was out in the world. The site ended up with like 10k pictures by the end. *Mods would approve the pictures in 2009-2011 era. No idea how they ran it after that.
qazxswedc16
It was HUGE in the MC community in the early days. Huge-ish lol.
alienagent
I did search for evidence of similar websites already existing and didn't find anything it's possible there is already another active attempt at reviving this concept but it just isn't popular enough for anyone to notice
alienagent
https://web.archive.org/web/20111219024901/http://minecraftmuseum.net/ the site layout could use some work (like showing more images at once) but is overall similar to what I had envisioned
qazxswedc16
You used to be able to sort by Author,etc, etc. as well.
qazxswedc16
Lots of the Classic screenshots we use on the MC Wiki, etc. came from this site. Here's the first 2 website URLs, if you were curious. They weren't archive fully though. https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/http://cubicworlds.net/museum/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/http://museum.redstonewire.com/
exminity
Hey guys i have 2 questions. First of all when contacting leads. How much is considered annoying when contacting asking if they found anything yet? Second of all is someone sends a .wedp file can u manually change it into a .png file or do you have to get the original source?
exminity
Thanks!
alienagent
<@368475654662127616> what would you say to everything that has been discussed recently
grzesiek11
ok so screenshot archive thing: we already discussed this in private and you know I do like this idea (after all I literally came up with it independently before). I'm not gonna start work on this yet (well I kinda did start work on it before but I'm not gonna re-start it yet) but yea. promotion on reddit: I'm gonna draft something as I said before r/MinecraftArchival: I am not up to handle something like that, but you have my green light if you want to try.
grzesiek11
> First of all when contacting leads. How much is considered annoying when contacting asking if they found anything yet? assuming this is about screenshots/videos/worlds/generally less "critical" stuff: if a lead gives you a deadline ("I'll check in a week"), re-asking a few days after the deadline is okay. be polite though. if there's no given deadline, re-ask after a month or two. if it's something critical, it's better to say something here so someone with contacting experience can help contact them. > Second of all is someone sends a .wedp file can u manually change it into a .png file or do you have to get the original source? converting archival material is generally bad practice, if a lead sends a WebP, it's a WebP, should be archived as such.
grzesiek11
that said, in some cases it might be the service you're using that converted the image (for example PhotoBucket, which is famously problematic), if so, it might be possible to recover the original in some way
grzesiek11
oh I missed this
grzesiek11
yeah I was planning to
grzesiek11
I have drafts for two of them
grzesiek11
it's harder for me to work rn since I'm not at home
alienagent
you could just go ahead and upload the drafts and other people could finish whatever is missing
alienagent
is there anyone else from omniarchive who is good at actually doing stuff beyond yapping in off topic channels who we would benefit from bringing into these kinds of projects? I'm thinking that people like muzikbike and mc4f could help us a lot for example
stringthief.
Dexrn supposedly, if admins aren't off limits. Also icanttellyou. But that's assuming either would even be interested in the first place.
alienagent
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Legend_of_the_Chambered videos from the legend of the chambered wiki page are lost media
alienagent
https://web.archive.org/web/20250723045948/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZIEsZBhN8 https://web.archive.org/web/20250722210543/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSk8xfzZig
alienagent
https://web.archive.org/web/20250910045904/https://galacticraft.net/ the galacticraft website has been down for the past year apparently
geekcornerd
i've heard the website now contains viruses tho
alienagent
yeah probably
grzesiek11
gotta love it when videos about lost media become lost media
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grzesiek11
tried adding the current wiki logo as a favicon but it looks awful so no
geekcornerd
what about adding a page about the mptestlevels.zip file ?
grzesiek11
good idea. are you up for it, perhaps?
grzesiek11
[[Floating Trees Wiki:Wanted pages]] just made this which is basically a public todo
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Floating_Trees_Wiki:Wanted_pages>
xnoob545
how has this been going
xnoob545
what do you think of the minecraft archival reddit idea
xnoob545
i am ready to contribute to the archival projects on reddit
grzesiek11
I'll try doing this today
grzesiek11
how does contributing on reddit differ from contributing uh, without reddit
grzesiek11
I mean the point is that reddit has a large audience
grzesiek11
but you're already here lol
xnoob545
moderation and making a ton of posts and trying to get more people to see it
grzesiek11
oh so like moderation and marketing wise
grzesiek11
sure I'll keep you in mind then
grzesiek11
ok so, r/Minecraft2 does not allow Discord server promotion
grzesiek11
but we can still promote the wiki
grzesiek11
r/MinecraftUnlimited seems to not have such a rule
xnoob545
thats nice
grzesiek11
https://hedgedoc.stary.pc.pl/gBZsO6ACTneQ5qcaWCVqjw?view
grzesiek11
how's that
grzesiek11
<@817088068254433291> <@322172965825413141>
alienagent
make "similar games" into "similar block games" or something
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grzesiek11
go upvote these! https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft2/comments/1vpee8j/floating_trees_a_minecraft_media_preservation/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MinecraftUnlimited/comments/1vpedfz/floating_trees_a_minecraft_media_preservation/
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xnoob545
Is it okay if I upvote with my alt which is on my phone and then upvote again with my actual account on pc like 12 hours later
grzesiek11
maybe let's not do unfair things like that
xnoob545
fine but now I gotta unupvote and figure out how to log in to the main account
xnoob545
I gotta do a clone reddit app instead of the same one too cuz I'm afraid my accounts are gonna get banned on certain subreddits if I log in with both in one app
xnoob545
theres a comment under the first one
grzesiek11
yeah, I just responded to it
professorapple
Upvoted both.
grzesiek11
this world was submitted to me by MariaValkirye via reddit: https://archive.org/details/mc-convicted-2013/
grzesiek11
I never played on Prison servers, but this is apparently the original one
grzesiek11
I'm gonna add it to the wanted pages list, I'll handle it if nobody else does (I encouraged the person submitting it to, but I don't know if they will or won't)
purple.blog
Apologies for bumping an old discussion, but if you still have these videos (or have uploaded them somewhere) I could download and seed them if that would be of any interest.
grzesiek11
yeah I got more storage since then, so I kept them, but they are not backed up, so that would be appreciated lol
grzesiek11
it's almost 1 TB though, so don't feel forced to
grzesiek11
I'll make a torrent later
purple.blog
I have plenty of storage. I think I might have been archiving a lot of your content, and even content hosted by omniarchive on archive.org without realisizing it.
grzesiek11
well then, would you have another 4 TB to spare lol
grzesiek11
https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/2021_unlisted_YouTube_videos I am the only seeder for this
grzesiek11
and I also don't have a backup of it
grzesiek11
of course, only if you are interested
purple.blog
Downloading now.
grzesiek11
thank you!
purple.blog
Some long time Minecraft community folks through the grapevine mentioned floating trees, and had asked if I had any involvement since I'm well known in certain circles for archiving content in the community. I was aware of Omniarchive, and had been archiving some of the content there for a project I'm working on.
purple.blog
I think many of you were leaching off of me when Microsoft took down the xbox 360 TU archive on archive.org, since I had been seeding it for some time.
grzesiek11
very much possible :p I had access to another copy, but it was on MEGA which is really annoying to download from (I don't have a pro account), so I was glad someone was seeding the torrent lol
grzesiek11
if you want some more things to seed (if they haven't made it's way to you already, that is), I maintain up to date torrents for PE (Android) and JE https://download.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/minecraft/java/minecraft_java_edition_archive.torrent https://download.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/minecraft/bedrock/minecraft_pocket_edition_android_archive.torrent
grzesiek11
those are pretty small compared
grzesiek11
the JE one is on the wiki, but the PE one currently isn't due to disagreement from some of the community (https://discord.com/channels/1497336599120187435/1529665697813369044)
purple.blog
I have the first one, not sure about the second one.
grzesiek11
both PE and X360 TUs are openly linked to by Minecraft Wiki though, so personally I am not concerned
grzesiek11
Minecraft Wiki might be the community project that is the closest to Mojang of all community projects
grzesiek11
I am throttling them to 4 MiB/s total, but I'm not nearly reaching that limit
croatink45
hi, i'm just a lurker lol
grzesiek11
I thought you are throttling them lol
croatink45
have you seen that thing in omniarchive? i think that someone has some map files or something
grzesiek11
you mean Reasonableman, or...?
croatink45
uh no its someone in the #omniarchive channel
croatink45
alexvminer
croatink45
my bad, its in #off-topic
grzesiek11
I see
grzesiek11
well, hopefully they just publish these in misc-downloads
grzesiek11
if not they can be contacted
croatink45
yeah this one i think
grzesiek11
OH I forgot lmao
grzesiek11
I'm uploading something to IA at the same time
grzesiek11
this is why, probably
grzesiek11
I have just 50 Mbps upload, so not a lot, but it wasn't being used up at all... or so I thought, cause the IA upload is using like half that
grzesiek11
I also run this on a server so it's not an issue for me either
grzesiek11
I put the links on MCW pages for 0.14.0 to 0.16.2
grzesiek11
before that there seem to be downloads provided consistently, so I didn't bother
grzesiek11
though the labels are nonsense
grzesiek11
wtf do you mean "Original"
grzesiek11
the gb and hc versions are just as original as the jb version
grzesiek11
the x86 version is too, it's just for a different architecture
grzesiek11
but whatever. this can stay for now.
xnoob545
???
grzesiek11
WHAT THE FUCK, ZUNAKA????
xnoob545
SAME DAY TOO WTF
grzesiek11
yeah he's sus
xnoob545
also do we know who the owners of these two subs are?
grzesiek11
I don't think we'll get more than this
xnoob545
oh yeah the posts died down
xnoob545
its a shame
xnoob545
is that 1.8k views
xnoob545
thats kinda sad, i routinely get like 10k views on dumbass posts that dont even deserve it
xnoob545
got half a million once on some other account which i do not even remember the username for was something stupid and then when we get something actually important fucking 1.8k
xnoob545
whats up with the chart labels
grzesiek11
idk you're the reddit expert not me
xnoob545
i can put the invite link in my reddit bio i guess
xnoob545
no
xnoob545
im gonna undo that
xnoob545
because
xnoob545
when i get in arguments i dont want that attracting the wrong people here
grzesiek11
yeah right, don't do that
grzesiek11
anyways did you hear, archive.org is very down
grzesiek11
you probably did by now
xnoob545
somehow not
grzesiek11
it's been down since yesterday
xnoob545
which part of it is down
xnoob545
this isnt the first time its been down though
grzesiek11
just about everything sometimes some things work kinda
grzesiek11
right now I can load the homepage
xnoob545
me too
xnoob545
let me visit wikipedia
xnoob545
seems like it works for me tho
xnoob545
grzesiek11
yeah rn it seems to be working for me too, albeit really slowly
grzesiek11
before I wrote this it wasn't even loading the error page tho lol
xnoob545
maybe its getting attacked somehow?
xnoob545
congrats, you fixed it
xnoob545
im trying to figure out where else to advertise
geekcornerd
can't find the request thread too
xnoob545
we're very much NOT trying to be like them
xnoob545
I mean, a lot of it is like even a small amount of contributions could be useful
xnoob545
filling in the wiki, stuff like that
xnoob545
i mean
xnoob545
i personally should get on that too at some point
xnoob545
oh actually i own hytale archive i should work on that
xnoob545
i have an unfinished migration to a centralized server on Grzesiek's infrastructure
xnoob545
i should get on that again
grzesiek11
not the right channel
kokiri.forest
<@368475654662127616> can i dm you. lol
kokiri.forest
you can maintain my community ban idc
grzesiek11
not the right channel
kokiri.forest
there is no right channel fur me currently
kokiri.forest
and you have me blocked so i can't dm
grzesiek11
yes, that is the point. now stop spamming.
alienagent
what exactly do you want to say
grzesiek11
not the right channel. DM them if you want to talk with them.
exminity
Hello
exminity
why did i get leads access?
exminity
Not upset just curious
alienagent
because I trust you because of your work with the hytale archiving stuff
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exminity
I dont do much work with Hytale archiving and im more focused on Minecraft Civilization Events Archival
exminity
Just havent thought of much with the Hytale Video Archive
alienagent
where do you do this generally
alienagent
and what precisely is "Biblioarchive" and "Krilldom"
exminity
Krilldom is a server that does civ events and i just manage there partnerships
exminity
Biblioarchive is an upcoming project of mine with a buddy that archives Minecraft Civilization Media
exminity
its in beta right now
alienagent
what kind of "project" is that like a website or something?
exminity
Its more of like a hub where people can find Civilization media i would say
exminity
Most Civilization media is just hard to find and Biblioarchive combats that by making it easily accesibile
alienagent
that would be really useful I think especially if it also helped you to find upcoming civilization events and not just events that already happened
exminity
We kinda have something like that on the discord server
exminity
we plan to do partnerships with servers and announce there upcoming events
exminity
and in return they let us archive there civ event discord chats, make daily in-game world copies, send any media made to make the offical youtube video and announce people to send there media on our site
exminity
But we wont prioritize that mainly since a lot servers dedicated to that already exist
exminity
I did this one event where the guy deleted the server because he didnt want to make any more events and i talked about some stuff with him and got some media, asked around friends who also did the event and contacted some people
exminity
i was able to find the original untouched player world, pov videos, the original winners screenshot and a lot more
alienagent
it's inconvenient that so much of this stuff is on discord servers specifically which makes it annoying difficult to actually find any of it
exminity
wdym?
kokiri.forest
would be good to have more than just a discord server. discord is like a constantly burning library of alexandria.
alienagent
yeah
exminity
The archive isnt dedicated on the discord server
exminity
Sorry if i said something that made it sound like it was
kokiri.forest
as long as there's a website or something.
exminity
there is a site =)
kokiri.forest
yay
exminity
My buddy handles the site so i cant answer much about that
alienagent
the main point of floating trees is to create a platform for easily discoverable minecraft media archival resources that aren't locked behind discord servers that aren't easy to discover
exminity
Here i have a desc of the biblioarchive on the site ill send that here
alienagent
we should probably create a page on the floating trees site about biblioarchive you could make that if you want
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exminity
I included it in the #credits part of the website of how the project was made
grzesiek11
he meant the opposite
alienagent
if there is already an existing website for your biblioarchive thing I can't find it by just searching all I get are generic websites about books even including the word Minecraft in the search just turns up results about libraries in minecraft
grzesiek11
[[Minecraft Civilization events]]
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Minecraft_Civilization_events?action=edit&redlink=1>
alienagent
I don't think it's a name that has good SEO
grzesiek11
good redlink to fill
exminity
dont start making the wiki because we are still are handling some of the main things
exminity
Also will be away from my PC on friday until september
alienagent
also I wonder if civilization events would be relevant enough for a minecraft wiki page considering they are a huge genre and the wiki has been looking to branch out more in the direction of community-generated content genres
grzesiek11
I mean, I'm just saying it's just a redlink to fill
exminity
We had a doc with all the names and thats the one we really liked the most. I do agree with that tho
kokiri.forest
the name also doesn't really communicate (or maybe even misleads) what the archive is for
exminity
Well the names doesnt necessarily have to match what the archive is about
exminity
Nothing screams Minecraft about Omniarchive
alienagent
yeah I mean it's not about books it's about civilizations
exminity
But heres the logo of the site
grzesiek11
can you link the site btw
grzesiek11
even if it's WIP
alienagent
omniarchive isn't really a good name either tbh but obviously it did succeed anyway
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alienagent
but personally I would be more inclined to use a name that has more to do with "civilization" specifically like "EmpireArchive" or something
grzesiek11
well Omniarchive never tried to be findable really the way they got popularized is via YouTube videos
grzesiek11
and general word of mouth
alienagent
"Ozyminedias" because it's about minecraft civilizations that don't exist anymore
kokiri.forest
yea. i think much of omniarchive's popularity is due to youtube videos. archival projects in general don't usually gather as much attention as omni does. (at least from what i've seen.)
alienagent
omniarchive didn't break out of obscurity until 2021 I think
exminity
Civ events arent just empires are mass in game genocide. Each event has a story from each person. Civ events bring people from all types of skills into it like builders, pvpers, redstoners etc
exminity
why isnt the photo sending
exminity
exminity
there
exminity
My friend designed it and we had some other ones in mind
exminity
but this was our favourite
alienagent
also I think biblioarchive as a minecraft thing could be confused with bibliocraft which is a popular minecraft mod
alienagent
it's a good logo but I'm not sure about the name
exminity
I personally havent heard of that mod before. Whats bibliocraft about?
alienagent
mostly it's about books, bookshelves and other sorts of furniture-type blocks
exminity
here let me also send the archive.org account. We got some cool stuff up there
alienagent
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/bibliocraft https://minecraft-mods.fandom.com/wiki/BiblioCraft https://ftbwiki.org/BiblioCraft
exminity
https://archive.org/details/@biblioarchive
kokiri.forest
i wouldn't rely too much on archive.org imo. it's a good backup source but it's been under threat for years at this point.
kokiri.forest
like it's good that you have that, i'm just saying.
exminity
it is our backup source
exminity
basically here is how it works
exminity
When people go to the site they submit and type a small description of what the media is and provide there own cloud service link on the site. Once than it gets sent to an Administrator who approves it and makes it live. Than once that happens a mirror is made on archive.org
exminity
Anything that i find very important (for example anything you see related to "Henriks" is archived personally from me
kokiri.forest
> provide there own cloud service link i'm assuming this would be things like google drive and whatnot?
exminity
basically yes. But we encourage other cloud services (like mega)
alienagent
google drive is a really bad cloud service for anything other than plain text documents
exminity
i dont even use google docs
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exminity
I use fileverse.io
exminity
The issue i personally saw and the capture that i see is that this is a new era of civ events. More things are coming up and its easier than ever to ask for stuff
kokiri.forest
yea i was just using google drive as a popular example. tho i think mega does delete files if the account is inactive for a while.
exminity
I think you are thinking of that one cloud service that has like 1tb and crazy ads that does that
grzesiek11
no storage medium, cloud or otherwise, is really safe. but if you have 2 copies (here, IA and generic cloud), that works out. industry standard is 3 copies, but welp :p
exminity
but no mega doesnt do that
kokiri.forest
i'm fairly certain it's mega unless they've changed that.
kokiri.forest
i ran into that once doing archival maybe. 6 years ago?
exminity
i found this on duckduckgo https://help.mega.io/accounts/create-account/account-expiry
exminity
youre correct
exminity
yikes what happened?
alienagent
is this the whole thing or is there like an actual website
exminity
there is an actual site
alienagent
that's cool, you should send the link
kokiri.forest
in our case it was more of an inconvenience because we all had local backups but mega was used as a primary source for some builds and media before it all suddenly vanished lol.
exminity
you had backups correct?
kokiri.forest
yes
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exminity
Ill send the site link when it reaches v1.0.0 because we are planning to do a major rehaul with some stuff because we found some things to be disoraganized
alienagent
it isn't strictly necessary to wait it's not like something bad will happen because we see the disorganized early version
grzesiek11
I mean, if they really don't want to share this yet, it's not like they have to
exminity
I would just prefer to get feedback when we think its polished
exminity
Since its not in a polished state
grzesiek11
our wiki is the least polished thing ever, if that makes you feel better lol
alienagent
well yeah it makes sense you would want feedback on the more complete version rather than the earlier version that isn't so great
exminity
Floating Trees is one of the first places where we want feedback from (ive forwarded A LOT of feedback here) so dw its not like i just dont want to
alienagent
but I want to see it less to provide feedback and more just so I can see how much material is there
exminity
37 pages are made for media. Some are folders that just have more pieces of media (like i archived a partners server discord chat and it has a folder of 6 discord chats)
exminity
and just to say we are in V.0.5.13 and .14 should be coming out sometime soon
exminity
we just want to drop the polished version before summer ends so that we can focus on the good stuff like making ourselves known in the civilization community
exminity
There is a project that is also related to archival called "wikiciv.xyz" that archives civ event lore
exminity
i do want to note that we are complete separate things
alienagent
https://wikiciv.xyz/ this seems interesting but also very low in activity
exminity
i talked to the person who runs it and they are going to dropped the full version on September 15th. its a cool project but the reason for low activity is that they just havent dropped much and a lot of work is behind the scenes
exminity
one of the 350+ splash texts if anyones curious
alienagent
350? how long did it take you to come up with that many lmao
exminity
Internet
exminity
A lot of it
exminity
its mostly half and half with my friend ill have to admit
alienagent
also what is the core difference between these two projects and is it even a good idea for them to be separate when they are about doing very similar things?
exminity
we did attempt a partnership. I cant disclose much because they revealed some stuff about Wikiciv future but all i will say
exminity
Our projects dont have the same end goal
alienagent
so what's your end goal
exminity
To make Minecraft Civilization Media easier to acess and make sure its documented is basically the TL;DR version of it Not saying Wiki Civ doesnt do that but its just again different end goals
alienagent
yeah I think I get it
alienagent
your thing is about just making it easier to find the media itself whereas the other thing is about summarizing it into a sort of pseudo-historical database of events
exminity
I wouldnt necessarily say it like that based of the assumption you got to the site of what is it right now
exminity
Just check it out on September 15th and than see the state of Biblioarchive around that timeish
alienagent
anyway do consider changing the name to something else, maybe bring that up to other people in your team
alienagent
I'm surprised you had never heard of bibliocraft before
exminity
We are quite happy with the name but ill bring it up
exminity
Again as stated feedback from Floating Trees means a lot
exminity
in my free time thats related to Minecraft thats not archival i do axe pvp
exminity
not much of a mod player that isnt Vanilla+
alienagent
I always preferred bow pvp myself
exminity
I honestly dont enjoy doing pvp that is outside of sword, axe, crossbow, bow or 1.8 PVP
alienagent
yeah crossbows are my favorite 1.8 pvp weapon
exminity
do you guys suggest any more storage services that isnt microslop drive or G**gle drive?
exminity
thats also easier for people to use especially those who are complete new to sending media
kokiri.forest
i mean self-hosting or paid stuff is all i use these days so idk what the free landscape is like.
alienagent
btw <@368475654662127616> if you look up "floating trees" on google a reddit thread you made a couple days ago is somehow one of the first results
exminity
most people who do civ events arent as informed on that/couldnt bother setting that up
kokiri.forest
yea i figure. i'm afraid i can't be of too much help there.
exminity
what third would you suggest?
exminity
we also considering getting a domain thats easy to type in to the URL as well
exminity
Just thats the last thing we plan to talk about
exminity
No kidding. You dont know how many people i have explained to what "chromium" is
alienagent
yeah it's a metal between vanadium and manganese
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exminity
I am a Firefox addict for anyone curious
grzesiek11
yeah, honestly not that weird
grzesiek11
it's reddit
grzesiek11
reddit is very worthwhile for search engines
exminity
i get the song from C418
grzesiek11
yeah, but below that
exminity
guess just Duckduckgo being DuckDuckgo
grzesiek11
oh, DDG
grzesiek11
yeah DDG is very different
exminity
grzesiek11
but on DDG we're like, the 10th result or something
exminity
I dont see it at all appearing on DDG
exminity
it does appear if i search up floating trees archive
grzesiek11
kokiri.forest
ddg gives me inconsistent results sometimes. it's most of what i use these days but it's weird like that.
grzesiek11
very weird if you're getting something else, cuz DDG won't reorder results normally
exminity
i also get complete different images as you
grzesiek11
maybe forest is right and it does do weird things now
kokiri.forest
my first page of ddg, not on there at all
grzesiek11
it could be regional
kokiri.forest
oh true
exminity
Anyways i really do appreciate talking about Biblioarchive with you guys. Ill reach out for some feedback as well and more and we can see what the future brings =)
exminity
My VPN says im in the US
grzesiek11
since this is hosted under a .pl domain, maybe it prioritizes it here in Poland
exminity
let me try
grzesiek11
I should get us a better domain at some point
exminity
dang Mozilla VPN doesnt have Poland
exminity
=(
exminity
If u find a cheap domain site please tell me which one it is
exminity
need it for future Biblio stuff
kokiri.forest
porkbun is imo the only one worth going through from my experience
grzesiek11
stary.pc.pl is registered on OVH
kokiri.forest
for most stuff, anyway
grzesiek11
here this is one of the cheapest options
exminity
i just found one for 2 bucks 🤑
exminity
Ill send this to my partner and we can discuss this later
kokiri.forest
i mean they'll usually be dirt cheap the first year then renew at a more standard price
grzesiek11
yeah always check renewal price
grzesiek11
this is the important part
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grzesiek11
registration is whatever
grzesiek11
anyways, porkbun makes you pay in dollars so not an option for me
grzesiek11
currency conversion makes it not worth it
grzesiek11
also they don't sell .pl domains
exminity
I was just about to say about the renewal part
exminity
yikes
grzesiek11
my best choices for TLDs here are .eu and .org because they are both relatively cheap and sound "international"
grzesiek11
.org being a tad more expensive
geekcornerd
Why not .net?
geekcornerd
Why do I have leads access now 😭
grzesiek11
even more expensive than .org
grzesiek11
though considering it without the price, it's also good
grzesiek11
well, you're a long time trusted member, and AlienAgent decided to add people like that
grzesiek11
if you specifically *don't* want the role, I can remove it
geekcornerd
was just asking, tho i don't really care if i have the role or not
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grzesiek11
the sob emoji made me question it lol
geekcornerd
mostly i did not expect that lol
croatink45
has anyone got any tips for someone who wants to try find minecraft media
grzesiek11
depends on what you are trying to find usually you'd start with a google search, find where it was originally available and made by whom, search for possible reposts on other sites Wayback may or may not help after you get the original URL if this fails, you can try to contact the original creator, then other people who might have what you're trying to find, though if you've never done that, you might want to ask for help here
grzesiek11
for worlds, you might want to check if MAP has archived it
grzesiek11
in general check [[Floating Trees:Useful resources]]
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Floating_Trees:Useful_resources>
grzesiek11
there's also MCArchive, who archive old mods, if you're looking for that
grzesiek11
some collections were posted in <#1526707481026494564>
xnoob545
I am trying to bring in more members
xnoob545
by advertising in another smaller minecraft community
xnoob545
it might work idk
purple.blog
Was there an issue when trying to upload the FeriMC world to archive.org? I ask because I had tried downloading the world before in the past through the torrent link, but there seems to be a discrepancy between the contents on archive.org and what the torrent claims it has. Due to this, I can't actually download or seed the world through archive.org.
purple.blog
I can download the contents manually and create a torrent for others if that would be of interest, but I figured I would ask anyways. I know from time to time archive.org does funny things with torrents.
grzesiek11
I honestly have no idea, all I know is that IA is weird with this (I'm not sure if it's something related to the derive task or not, but I could ask around) I have all the contents on my hard drive so I was thinking of creating a torrent for it as well
grzesiek11
I can also ask the person whose account this was uploaded with to add these custom torrent files instead
grzesiek11
oh yeah I also made a torrent of slicedlime's videos, so I'll be sending this over as well in a moment
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purple.blog
Do you have the exact contents from the screenshot on archive.org? <https://archive.org/download/gyurcsany-ferenc-map> If so, I can go ahead and just start downloading the contents there first. That way when we have a updated torrent I don't need to leach off of you.
grzesiek11
ferimap.rar is the important file, the video is technically a separate thing
grzesiek11
if I have the ability to separate those I'd rather do that
grzesiek11
it's a video *about* the map by the person who archived it, not actually something that came with the world itself
purple.blog
Gotcha. Okay. Let me know what your directory structure will look like in that case and I'll just grab whatever is needed off of archive.org when when that torrent is created.
grzesiek11
it'll be a single-file torrent with just that file
purple.blog
Oh, actually it looks like I already have it downloaded.
alienagent
since imgur doesn't seem to ever autodelete images that have been favorited (since none of my favorites have ever randomly vanished) I wonder if it would be possible to have bots auto-favorite as many images as possible to make it so they won't be deleted
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grzesiek11
<@1039982248709079050> are you *sure* you aren't throttling downloads from me? it's really weird because for you specifically uploads average at 50 KiB/s, and this is still the case after you started getting slicedlime's vids
grzesiek11
so like, the previous total was 200 KiB/s, and now it's 250 KiB/s
grzesiek11
if this was something with the network connection, that'd be *weird*
grzesiek11
and I am sure I'm not throttling anything, because I have other torrents that are seeding with 2 MiB/s
grzesiek11
I mean, I guess it's whatever, it's just gonna take some time, but the fact I don't know what's going on infuriates me lol
purple.blog
I don't have anything on my network or my server that is throttled. Assuming you don't have something funny going on with your network, the only thing I can maybe think of is that something is occurring at the ISP level.
purple.blog
Let me try setting on a torrent client on a vps that I have and see if anything changes.
purple.blog
I'm getting similar speeds on the ferimap.rar world on my vps.
purple.blog
Oh wait, no, I'm getting around 3.5 to 4MiB/s
purple.blog
Very weird, it seems all over the place.
purple.blog
I assume you have your data on spinning drives? What's your setup if you don't mind me asking?
purple.blog
The part that I find interesting is that on my server all of my connections to your torrents sit around 50-70KiB/s each. But I have another unrelated torrent currently downloading at 5MiB/s.
grzesiek11
yeah that'd be expected (I limit the total to 4 MiB/s, but it's unsaturated most of the time)
grzesiek11
yeah, I'm not rich to have data this big on SSDs
purple.blog
You and me both.
grzesiek11
obviously accessing multiple files at once on a HDD is pretty slow, but I have never seen it saturate my upload speed
grzesiek11
it's not 50 KiB/s levels of slow
grzesiek11
that's very similar on my side, weirdly enough
grzesiek11
those are the only files that are this slow to seed
purple.blog
I seem to recall a while back when I downloaded some of your previous torrents that I was able to get 4MiB/s. So I can't imagine what's different now.
purple.blog
Are you uploading any other torrents at the moment? Or just these?
purple.blog
I'm curious if you have any other connections that are functioning similarly.
grzesiek11
a few, though the 4 MiB/s limit is not saturated
grzesiek11
the internet connection overall is currently pretty quiet too
grzesiek11
I assume the part that is 30-60 Mbps is you trying out the VPS
grzesiek11
here you can compare when I intentionally put it under load
grzesiek11
so I guess we both have no clue
grzesiek11
if it works from your VPS though it might be on ISP side like you thought
grzesiek11
somehow
purple.blog
Well, it didn't really work very well from my vps. It just sometimes hits your limit.
purple.blog
But a lot of the time its typical from my local server.
grzesiek11
I assume it's almost never below 100 KiB/s though, right?
grzesiek11
meanwhile those connections are always 50-60 KiB/s
purple.blog
It would be below 100KiB/s more often than it was above.
grzesiek11
hm
purple.blog
I mean, it sucks, but I don't mind waiting.
purple.blog
But I think it might be wise to look into alternatives for seeding content. In the past I had used a seedbox for a lot of type of work before getting better internet speeds.
grzesiek11
I've never had such issues before though. my connection is a stable 300/50, maybe it's not *great* but it shouldn't cause *this*
grzesiek11
I'll try from my VPS (in UK), no idea if it'll get me any closer to an answer but I'll do it anyways
grzesiek11
grzesiek11
consistently above 3 MiB/s
grzesiek11
is your VPS also in US, same as your server?
grzesiek11
maybe it's something about that, somehow
purple.blog
Yeah, vps is also in US.
purple.blog
Let me try providing a torrent that might be worth including in <#1526707481026494564>. It's small compared to a lot of the other ones we typically have. Give me a little bit and I'll drop it over when its ready.
purple.blog
But it wouldn't hurt to see if this is a bidirectional issue or not.
grzesiek11
sure
purple.blog
Actually, I'm going to send this one to you privately and we can discuss if this one can be put into <#1526707481026494564>.
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grzesiek11
I'm gonna be heading to sleep in a moment so not sure if I can stay for the discussion today hah
grzesiek11
but I am waiting to at least see if it's gonna have the same issue in the other direction
geekcornerd
Adfly more like lost media generator
geekcornerd
good thing it's client side at least
grzesiek11
<@322172965825413141> can you please post these imgur links in the thread
grzesiek11
rather than in <#1500310733643317338>
exminity
Can someone do a quick archive.org crawl of this
exminity
https://www.minecraft.net/de-de/sand-mud
exminity
I’m away from PC
grzesiek11
the en-us version of this is already saved
grzesiek11
is there something about the de-de version or...?
grzesiek11
cuz Save Page Now doesn't seem to work rn
grzesiek11
nevermind it does work
xnoob545
should we save floating trees pages to archive.org?
stringthief.
I don't see why not. Might be worthwhile to make periodic local backups of the wiki as well.
croatink45
do you need any help with the wiki? ive been editing croatian wiki pages for like 10 years
grzesiek11
yeah, any help is appreciated: [[Floating Trees Wiki:Contribute]]
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Floating_Trees_Wiki:Contribute>
grzesiek11
more or less, making or expanding pages on any topic you find important, would be greatly appreciated
grzesiek11
I mean, you *can* do that, but doing database dumps would be more useful than HTML renders
grzesiek11
yeah this is planned
grzesiek11
the only user accessible option is Save Page Now though
grzesiek11
I asked around and publishing crawls directly to Wayback is not possible
grzesiek11
you need to ask an admin to move them
grzesiek11
and apparently you need to be "trusted" enough for that too
geekcornerd
what about providing dumps easily
grzesiek11
``` 19:58 Grzesiek11 also, while I'm here, though I'm not planning to do this at the moment: how would I go around getting my own WARCs into Wayback? 19:59 nicolas17 the usual answer is "you don't" 19:59 Grzesiek11 that's not a very reassuring answer then 20:04 nicolas17 an admin can manually move your WARC items to a wayback-indexed collection if they trust you that those WARCs are a pristine capture and you didn't mess with the data or capture it with tools that would mess with it 20:04 nicolas17 idk how you get that trust, the first time I requested that was after years of being involved in archiveteam :P ```
grzesiek11
> yeah this is planned
grzesiek11
I think it'd be good to both publish them on the download site and on IA as items
grzesiek11
I imagine monthly would be enough?
geekcornerd
i missed that message sorry
grzesiek11
np
grzesiek11
ok so, first dump should be coming in 2 hours
grzesiek11
and every month after that
grzesiek11
no automation to upload them to IA as a mirror, at least yet
grzesiek11
https://download.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/floatingtrees/wiki/ will be here
alienagent
https://lostmediawiki.com/Template:Minecraftbox probably everything in this category should have a page here
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grzesiek11
it didn't, but I triggered one manually
grzesiek11
> Your upload of floatingtrees-wiki-2026 from username grzesiek11@stary.pc.pl appears to be spam. If you believe this is a mistake, contact info@archive.org and include this entire message in your email. thank you IA
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professorapple
<@818350216553955329> whatup dawg
mc4f
Hello, long time no see!
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professorapple
Did someone send you an invite link?
mc4f
Yes, Grzesiek invited me
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alienagent
https://discord.com/channels/761001494514237490/761006093622444082/1544500823969759314 https://discord.com/channels/329281108946452480/772284845816020992/1544500691635019858 https://discord.com/channels/308744621616529410/458865746710364200/1544499947938783242 https://discord.com/channels/773771861812183080/773782232141135882/1544502093195255868 https://discord.com/channels/768185518818983956/804566297097666560/1544503244217122857 https://discord.com/channels/634927922175541271/640248749318209546/1544504759262642247 I linked this server in a few other related servers
enderboss25
👋
alienagent
hello there
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alienagent
I didn't expect you to join so soon but I'm glad that you did
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grzesiek11
<@428539320660656128> I think the `<br>`s are warranted here since semantically there is a line break
grzesiek11
idk
tadeln
i think i would agree more if you had a full markdown-to-html parser but you don't, you are basically just sanitizing raw message text
tadeln
it really doesn't matter much at all though lol, <br>s are fine too
grzesiek11
my reasoning is that if you have a HTML document, with the exception of <pre> tags you would assume any whitespace is non significant
grzesiek11
if you only parsed the HTML, it would be
grzesiek11
I do know about `white-space` but I don't like the idea of CSS affecting semantics of the HTML itself, so I'd only use it in like, UI code
grzesiek11
if that even would be of any use there
tadeln
that's fair
tadeln
although i wonder, do you actually handle spaces correctly then? double spaces are collapsed in html
tadeln
so if i type a double space here it wouldn't get displayed properly would it?
grzesiek11
yeah I don't lol didn't even think of that I guess I will do that
grzesiek11
markdown parsing in some basic capacity is planned too
grzesiek11
I tried using a cmark parser but Discord markdown is too non-standard
grzesiek11
no parser I found has the option to not collapse newlines
grzesiek11
I tried replacing newlines with double newlines, but that made a mess with code blocks
grzesiek11
oh so I guess you literally *can't* do that correctly without CSS HTML is such an amazing language <@428539320660656128> you were right
grzesiek11
ok I added dark mode and made it more responsive
grzesiek11
I'm gonna go get some sleep
alienagent
<@368475654662127616> I'm thinking that the discord logs would benefit from including embedded images from image links that way the images get automatically saved even in the event the link stops working, and also makes it easier to actually get the images from the logs since you don't need to copy and paste the link somewhere else
alienagent
like currently the logs would only contain this link: https://imgur.com/Z04Ne and not the image below:
alienagent
whereas if I manually upload the image like this, it does show up in the logs
alienagent
the more useful thing would be if images from embeds are also saved in the logs (preferably at full resolution)
grzesiek11
> that way the images get automatically saved even in the event the link stops working 1. not unless I implement this in a very specific way. 2. I don't actually want to save everything that is posted automatically. I have limited disk space and I don't want to save things I have already saved elsewhere or that are not worth saving.
alienagent
also, the logs are not actually updating every 24 hours even though it says they do on the wiki page
grzesiek11
by "at full resolution" you mean this https://discord.com/channels/1497336599120187435/1497337888994496814/1546275515319717918 rather than https://discord.com/channels/1497336599120187435/1497337888994496814/1546275386126503997 this?
alienagent
yeah
grzesiek11
yeah that is correct
grzesiek11
I wrote what should be happening but it is not yet happening
grzesiek11
I have limited time on my hands
grzesiek11
I'll do it relatively soon though
alienagent
it would be an automatic process right
grzesiek11
yeah, after I actually write the code to automate it
grzesiek11
it's not a lot of code, the difficult parts are done
grzesiek11
but it doesn't exist yet
grzesiek11
so yeah
grzesiek11
ad 1. if I do the obvious thing and actually *embed* the images, then this would not be the case
grzesiek11
I'd need to save the images instead and display the copies
grzesiek11
anyways I will at least implement "the obvious thing" at some later point
grzesiek11
I do want embeds to display in logs, they are just annoying to deal with
grzesiek11
and now that I confirmed some stuff, it should be in full resolution, yeah
grzesiek11
Discord is intentionally just making them smaller, it's not like the actual source they are pulling from has worse quality
grzesiek11
ig this is because of `og:image:width` and `og:image:height`, Imgur is asking for the embeds to be smaller for whatever reason
explor4268
Just letting you know that this forward is not presented at all in the logs
grzesiek11
yeah forwards need to be implemented in discord-webviewer
grzesiek11
they are archived, just not yet displayed
grzesiek11
thanks for the feedback tho
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grzesiek11
probably will implement it as the next feature actually since it's kinda important
grzesiek11
done https://discordlogs.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/channels/1497337888994496814/messages.html#message-1524047310156202075
grzesiek11
hmm for some reason urls don't display lol
grzesiek11
oh yeah forgot to sanitize the contents... fixed
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exminity
hey <@274863638563520512> =)
exminity
Welcome to the server
alienagent
true
grzesiek11
I decided to include the b1.7 EXE on the download site, and describe the situation with it at [[Minecraft]]
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Minecraft>
grzesiek11
hopefully nobody is gonna object to it
grzesiek11
I personally don't think anyone would care enough to fake it, especially not in 2020
alienagent
why was the source considered "untrustworthy"
grzesiek11
that is a good question
grzesiek11
the answer is locked behind nook access in the Omniarchive Discord
grzesiek11
lmao
grzesiek11
the source is, well, pretty random, a file hosting site on the same server as some Polish TF2 stats site
grzesiek11
the site notably doesn't even have a domain
grzesiek11
https://web.archive.org/web/20201003001228/http://85.219.133.18/
grzesiek11
https://web.archive.org/web/20201003000056/http://85.219.133.18/Minecraft/BETA/b1.7/ here's the directory listing
alienagent
that is really weird but there's no obvious reason why the people who made this site would hide a fake recreated old minecraft server version somewhere
grzesiek11
yeah
grzesiek11
the files are dated 2011 on the server, which can also be easily faked, but why would you
alienagent
there's also no obvious reason why they would hide a real one though
alienagent
ok but it doesn't look any different
grzesiek11
imo that is easily explainable, they just put their old Minecraft files (they probably have been hosting Minecraft servers if they host TF2 servers) for their friends or just strangers on the internet to download
grzesiek11
open directories are pretty common on the web
alienagent
yeah probably but idk why they would make it so hard to find
grzesiek11
well... it's an open directory. every other computer person has one.
grzesiek11
I have one lol
grzesiek11
it's the kinda thing you just dump things into and forget
grzesiek11
https://grzesiek11.stary.pc.pl/files/ happy exploring lmao
grzesiek11
tbh I'll delete this cuz it pushes out actual discussion and might cause offtopic
exminity
Forwarded message (live, archive)
# NEW IP IS COMING LIVE TODAY, AND A BUNCH OF UPDATES # Hello everyone! Thanks to everyone that participated on the invite competition, and for all the support. There will be a couple things that are changing and that we are excited to present. Firstly, congratulations to the winners!! (for the paid prizes, you can expect your prize somewhere around 1-2 weeks) 1st Place: @cl1pz. 2nd Place: @kelorath 3rd Place: <@552909037411368966> and @sterb77 # Future Plans: # - We are looking for partnerships! If you are an event host, please DM me! We want to encourage civ players to use our website after playing and event and documenting its lore and experiences, and one way to outreach that is by event hosts promoting our website. Not only does it make it easier for hosts to read the lore players experienced, but it also allows outsiders to see what happened in the event, and become interested in applying! - Somewhere around today, we are also releasing the CivCentral trailer, in which you will learn how to use our platform, and what sets us apart from other communities. Finally, I want to thank everyone in on this project. Rest asured that if you are part of this community, you can expect a staff team that listens and actively filters out low-quality events and takes into account its community first. The wikiciv.xzy IP will remain live, and somewhere around today civcentral.com will become live aswell. || @everyone ||
exminity
<@322172965825413141>
exminity
I dont run Civ Central so i cant say anything but this is the statement they provided
grzesiek11
Discord logs now update automatically as they should
exminity
coolio
xnoob545
what https://www.reddit.com/r/MinecraftUnlimited/comments/1wkyj4b/could_somebody_please_explain_these_400m_viewed/
xnoob545
i also tried crossposting this to the minecraft archival subreddit that we have but uhh it got blocked by reddit recently ive been getting blocked a lot i think reddit thinks im a bot or somethingf
grzesiek11
probably precisely what the only comment says (they are ads)
grzesiek11
the title is a clue
grzesiek11
as well as unlisted status
_ibrow
yea theyre definitely youtube ads
xnoob545
is this something worth preserving???
xnoob545
even for an ad thats quite a ridiculous amount of views ngl
_ibrow
arent these ads slop 💀
xnoob545
oh i actually know
xnoob545
i just remembered something
xnoob545
i think it is too late to recover most likely but
xnoob545
i should mention it
xnoob545
there was a lithuanian youtuber who used to make mc content that then deleted everything
xnoob545
i remember trying to trace them back multiple times over the years
xnoob545
i did find a skype but then got too scared to contact them and i think skype is shut down too
xnoob545
i have other info but i dont want to just like dox this person
grzesiek11
in terms of the [[MinecraftCon 2010 livestreams]], I'm trying to contact people
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/MinecraftCon_2010_livestreams>
grzesiek11
even though I don't like doing it
grzesiek11
so far not going great
xnoob545
xnoob545
its all down this sucks
xnoob545
i need to do shit
xnoob545
i am trying to uhh
xnoob545
do shit
grzesiek11
yeah, it's the worst time to do shit
grzesiek11
I also picked this time somehow
xnoob545
i have a weird strategy known as looking through all the channels i subscribed years ago to find the deleted ones so then i will hopefully be able to find some metadata on at least a few of them somewhere
xnoob545
i stopped here and now have a collection of multiple dozen deleted channel IDs
xnoob545
i think some things work now
xnoob545
oh, barely
xnoob545
some of the deleted channels are like weird
xnoob545
they went through multiple rebrands
xnoob545
should i start a <#1500620448524795924> on deleted channels?
xnoob545
wow holy shit some things work but most dont
exminity
Hey guys. A quick update about my project Its going well =) Site updated a week ago and added a warning whenever clicking on a link stating "There is a possibility that archived media may contain hateful or inappropriate language or topics. Archived media or any views or standpoints expressed in archived media does not reflect those of which are held by the Biblioarchive community." We plan to do a massive re-haul for the V0.6.0 since the list of our media is organized horribly (see screenshot below) Anyways. We are partnering with a server with over 2,000+ members. Im super excited to work with them because they are also excited to archive. Which is what we seek. Sadly, they forgot to make a backup of the day 1 map of there event. (a star wars event) And currently have Day 0 (server stress test) and day 2. in the future is it possible for a respectful way to ensure that future partners archive there maps? Because reminding them every session is extremely rude. Any inputs?
exminity
V0.6.0 will re-design this
exminity
Just an example
exminity
This servers admins are super supportive about since at first they didnt plan to archive any sessions expect for the last one. Which is something we want to change. Especially Stress Tests. Stress tests for those who dont get it is when the server decides to do a non-canon day and invite people to test out the servers mechanics and see how much the server can handle
exminity
Most events dont care for stress test maps. Which again is something we are changing in the future
xnoob545
it goes up then down again ffs
grzesiek11
<#1497336854712684595> is the appropriate place
grzesiek11
<@817088068254433291> are you willing to make a page for Hytale Archive? [[FT:Hytale Archive]]
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Floating_Trees:Hytale_Archive?action=edit&redlink=1>
xnoob545
maybe
grzesiek11
I'd want to link that on the mainpage instead of the Discord link, so people have some idea as to what it is
xnoob545
I need to get out of bed
grzesiek11
sure
xnoob545
it is 14:36 and I am still in bed
xnoob545
not sure if i ever created an account lmao
xnoob545
ok well
xnoob545
i created one now
grzesiek11
I'm not sure if [[Hytale]] itself has a page but both pages are needed
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Hytale>
grzesiek11
ok yeah it does
grzesiek11
very basic page but a page
grzesiek11
[[FT:Hytale Archive]] is needed for the organizational unit, [[Hytale]] for archival work done on it/needing work
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Floating_Trees:Hytale_Archive> <https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Hytale>
grzesiek11
oh yeah you made one
grzesiek11
cool
xnoob545
fucking hell i dont know how to start writing a wiki page i wrote something but
xnoob545
its quite shit probably
xnoob545
is hytale archive supposed to be a project
grzesiek11
not really, in my opinion at least
xnoob545
ok
grzesiek11
it was enough it only took a few things to make it good
grzesiek11
I think it's good now that I edited it
grzesiek11
so, thanks
grzesiek11
projects are *supposed* to be basically what the Minecraft Wiki projects are
xnoob545
i have an old screenshot of it this is, as far as i could find, the first surviving screenshot of the spreadsheet could be interesting to add this as a thing about what it looked like on the first day idk
grzesiek11
you can do that, sure
grzesiek11
though it's better if you put a better representation of the project as it is now as the first (going from top) image in the article
grzesiek11
for example, the logo
grzesiek11
that's because the first "good" image is what embeds in various places (like Discord)
xnoob545
oh yeah
xnoob545
could also probably link to https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JN7_aBCVT0WzDVE1X6ilws549IZmo7OQhla6_Wg5FJc/edit?usp=sharing and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oGZZOnmHZkhoi87h7gqo4cfc3S-zTEP_1lcWeEiO4Cs/edit?usp=sharing
xnoob545
which i forgot that
grzesiek11
yeah, good idea
xnoob545
the video one exists lol
grzesiek11
those should be there
xnoob545
i sjould add that
grzesiek11
also, make sure images are well named
grzesiek11
and not Screenshot_2020-05-18.png type names
grzesiek11
you can put the original filename in description if it's important
grzesiek11
I need to make a file info template...
xnoob545
i guess the images go later, what i need to do first is uh
xnoob545
eventually update the spreadsheet
xnoob545
there are multiple versions of the launcher that we never uploaded to the central archive
xnoob545
and most versions we didnt even
xnoob545
put on the spreadsheet
xnoob545
i still have all those deleted channel links from yesterday to deal with too
xnoob545
but thats a seperate project
grzesiek11
you can just make a post in <#1497336854712684595> for now and dump them there
grzesiek11
yeah or like. they are supposed to just be the <#1497336854712684595> channel but on wiki. a place people dump the work they are doing and collaborate directly, rather than "properly" editing articles with stuff that can get outdated fast
grzesiek11
that is something that we never got to properly expanding upon though
grzesiek11
as such it's just a indefinite WIP
grzesiek11
personally I think a web forum might be a better alternative to doing it on wiki, but even then, people are probably not gonna be using that
grzesiek11
instead using Discord as they do
grzesiek11
(also yes linking yourself in this context is appropriate and even welcome)
grzesiek11
(people should know who to contact about the project)
grzesiek11
embed test https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Floating_Trees:Hytale_Archive
grzesiek11
saving every video linked on the Index and WIP Index that I have not saved already
grzesiek11
I was supposed to do that a while ago but well
grzesiek11
wow, number
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grzesiek11
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grzesiek11
this isn't copied from anywhere right? <@322172965825413141>
alienagent
it is a section from Notch's minecraft wiki page which I put there
grzesiek11
oh so you do own the rights. ok then.
grzesiek11
cuz yeah I wouldn't like to have Minecraft Wiki editors mad at us
grzesiek11
we now have [[Notch's non-Minecraft games]], [[Notch's lost games]] and [[Notch's unreleased games]]
Wiki-Bot
<https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Notch's_non-Minecraft_games> <https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Notch's_lost_games> <https://wiki.floatingtrees.stary.pc.pl/wiki/Notch's_unreleased_games>
grzesiek11
there isn't a very clear split here
grzesiek11
since the first mentioned page is most complete and contains all(?) the content of the others, should they just be redirected to it?
grzesiek11
or is there some kind of plan behind this I don't grasp
alienagent
honestly idk I made each one at a time without a clear long term plan for everything
alienagent
https://klipy.com/gifs/do-i-really-look-like-a-guy-with-a-plan-i-just-do-things
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grzesiek11
I'll merge them when I have time then